Pages: (15) « First ... 13 14 [15]  ( Go to first unread post ) Reply to this topicStart new topicStart Poll

T1R Crankshaft Pulley, Anyone installed yet?
Offline AusS2000
Posted: Oct 4 2009, 10:56 PM
· · · Quote Post
Moderator
Group IconGroup IconGroup IconGroup IconGroup IconGroup IconGroup IconGroup IconGroup IconGroup Icon



S2KI User #: 5
S2KI Age: 9 yrs 44 days
PPD Average: 8.4
Owner
2000 Silverstone/Red
Sydney
AU -



Another thing to consider is the radius. A fly wheel is much larger than a pulley and torque is measured in ftlb (feet times pounds) so distance from the axis makes as much difference as weight, and in a pulley that 4lbs difference is only about 2 inches from the axis.

Users Website  Ignore
Top
Offline ans2k
Posted: Oct 4 2009, 11:01 PM
· · · Quote Post
Member
Group IconGroup Icon



S2KI User #: 83762
S2KI Age: 1 yrs 197 days
PPD Average: 3.8
Owner
2006 Silverstone/Black-Red

US -



iagree.gif that is very true. the only thing you would gain from this besides a placebo is the awe you would get every time you open your hood to show a friend. if someone would buy me a pair i would be more than happy dyno it.

This post has been edited by ans2k on Oct 4 2009, 11:02 PM


--------------------
user posted image

Email PosterAOLYahoo  Ignore
Top
Offline slackfaster
Posted: Oct 8 2009, 09:53 PM
· · · Quote Post
Gold Member
Group IconGroup IconGroup IconGroup IconGroup IconGroup Icon



S2KI User #: 36687
S2KI Age: 5 yrs 136 days
PPD Average: 0.6
Owner
2002 Berlina Black/Black
lost angeles
US -



Here is a twist to this thread...

This guy says that OEM dampeners only work at THE OEM RATED HP

if you increase your HP then you need to look into an aftermarket dampener or you're potentially doing as much damage as using an un-harmonically balanced pulley.

as my dad used to say "how do you like them apples" :rofl"

QUOTE
You must have a reliable damper that is capable of properly combating these vibrations and twist. Your stock damper, or stock style damper, is simply a piece of soft steel that has a rubber ring that has been melted in between another steel ring. The inherent problem with that design is that there is no way to maintain concentricity of the inertia ring during manufacturing. Therefore, the damper has to be machined and balanced after the inertia weight has been bonded to the rubber strip. That means when the outer ring slips you lose your timing marks, damper balance and concentricity!  The stock damper works just fine as long as you do not make many changes to the motor, such as HP or RPM, from when it was stock and if the damper is not very old. When you start changing those things, you cannot count on your stock damper to do its job. Not to mention if that damper is old and worn out, the outer ring has a good chance of slipping or even separating from the rest of the damper and coming off your engine completely! Many different styles of aftermarket dampers are available. Through many years of testing and tuning, the O-ring style Elastomer damper has proven to be the best choice for performance applications, especially when high RPM is being applied. Additionally, this style is re-buildable and even tunable for your particular engine. A good resource for more in-depth research is an SAE paper called, "A Practical Treatise on Engine Crankshaft Torsional Vibration Control" by Robert C. Bremer Jr. (SAE Paper SP-445, June 1979). An excerpt can be found at www.atiracing.com/products/ dampers/sae.htm


whole article here


--------------------
There are only three sports:
Bullfighting, Motor Racing, and Mountaineering;
All the rest are merely games.

-- Hemingway

Email Poster  Ignore
Top
Offline ans2k
Posted: Oct 8 2009, 10:03 PM
· · · Quote Post
Member
Group IconGroup Icon



S2KI User #: 83762
S2KI Age: 1 yrs 197 days
PPD Average: 3.8
Owner
2006 Silverstone/Black-Red

US -



^ anyone wants to translate that for me?....

Email PosterAOLYahoo  Ignore
Top
Offline ans2k
Posted: Oct 8 2009, 10:12 PM
· · · Quote Post
Member
Group IconGroup Icon



S2KI User #: 83762
S2KI Age: 1 yrs 197 days
PPD Average: 3.8
Owner
2006 Silverstone/Black-Red

US -



i read the whole article and stile dont get it. they talk about old cars, so that not about the s. the imports are similar to the americans. but i thought our engines are internally balance. twist? vibrations? can someone explain?

Email PosterAOLYahoo  Ignore
Top
Offline S2Kage
Posted: Oct 9 2009, 06:36 AM
· · · Quote Post
Member
Group IconGroup Icon



S2KI User #: 84329
S2KI Age: 1 yrs 183 days
PPD Average: 3.6
Owner
2004 Silverstone/Black
Philadelphia, PA
US -



What he is saying is that all the assholes who said how important the OEM balanced pulley is are wrong.

Get it now?


--------------------
user posted image user posted image


user posted image 2004 Silverstone Honda S2000

Email Poster  Ignore
Top
Offline o'malley_808
Posted: Oct 9 2009, 09:34 AM
· · · Quote Post
Member
Group IconGroup IconGroup Icon



S2KI User #: 73631
S2KI Age: 2 yrs 114 days
PPD Average: 0.8
Owner
2000 New Formula Red/Black

CA -



People change flywheel weight all the time with no bad side effects, I doubt that a small pulley running a belt is going to make a difference. And as for the people about the harmonic balance they have no clue what they are talking about. Harmonic balancer offsets the weight of the pistons to make the engine run smoother/less vibration.

I would consider this part mainly a cosmetic item with minimal gains, no need to worry about ruining a motor from this part.


--------------------
user posted image
MY00 370whp 244ftlbs
QUOTE
129db... man that's way too much. I had a friend who's been hearing loud exhaust too much and his ears are really damaged. He often goes like "what?" whenever I speak to him. Sometimes I just feel like slapping him real hard. - Vic2000

user posted image

Email Poster  Ignore
Top
Offline turbosix
Posted: Oct 10 2009, 08:34 AM
· · · Quote Post
Guest




S2KI User #: 84508
S2KI Age: 1 yrs 177 days
PPD Average: 2.6
Owner
2003 GrandPrix White/Tan
dfw
US -



you guys are retarded. the article is from 1979, jesus christ.


--------------------
1984 buick regal t-type . 1992 lexus ls400 . 2003 honda s2000

Email PosterUsers WebsiteAOL  Ignore
Top
Offline Voodoo_S2K
Posted: Oct 10 2009, 10:18 AM
· · · Quote Post
Community Organizer
Group IconGroup IconGroup IconGroup IconGroup IconGroup IconGroup IconGroup IconGroup Icon



S2KI User #: 4277
S2KI Age: 8 yrs 102 days
PPD Average: 4.2
Owner
2002 Spa/Indy Yellow/Black
Bay Area, California
US -



QUOTE (o'malley_808 @ Oct 9 2009, 10:34 AM)
And as for the people about the harmonic balance they have no clue what they are talking about. Harmonic balancer offsets the weight of the pistons to make the engine run smoother/less vibration.

banghead.gif


--------------------
user posted image
user posted image
user posted imageuser posted imageuser posted imageuser posted imageuser posted imageuser posted imageuser posted image

Users Website  Ignore
Top
Offline Nickamsweet
Posted: Oct 10 2009, 10:23 AM
· · · Quote Post
Member
Group IconGroup Icon



S2KI User #: 83673
S2KI Age: 1 yrs 199 days
PPD Average: 2.3
Owner
2000 Monte Carlo Blue/Black
Scotland
SQ -



^^ I know exactly what i was thinking... it's the vibration etc in the first place that you want to harmonically dampen... Think we need to put some acceleromators on the end of a balanced and unbalanced and see the difference...


--------------------
user posted image

Email Poster  Ignore
Top
Offline slackfaster
Posted: Oct 11 2009, 04:17 PM
· · · Quote Post
Gold Member
Group IconGroup IconGroup IconGroup IconGroup IconGroup Icon



S2KI User #: 36687
S2KI Age: 5 yrs 136 days
PPD Average: 0.6
Owner
2002 Berlina Black/Black
lost angeles
US -



QUOTE (turbosix @ Oct 10 2009, 08:34 AM)
you guys are retarded. the article is from 1979, jesus christ.

yeah cause the mechanics of internal combustion engines have changed so much since then... rofl.gif

--- kids a045.gif


The the article specifically noted our exact OEM harmonic dampener design (bi-metal separated by polymer) and said that type was engineered for the specific OEM hp rating and, being non-adjustable, couldn't work as designed after the torque and hp increase resulting from aftermarket tuning.

He suggested that since harmonic dampening was important for high hp engines, an adjustable aftermarket dampener (which could be tuned to the specific setups) would be a good idea if you were modifying the power of your car.

Email Poster  Ignore
Top
Offline GyorsS2000
Posted: Oct 17 2009, 04:48 AM
· · · Quote Post
Member
Group Icon



S2KI User #: 103737
S2KI Age: 0 yrs 35 days
PPD Average: 0.4
Owner
2001 Berlina Black/Black

US -



I got the pulley's on my 01, and have had no issues. I got all the pulley's not just the crankshaft. I noticed a rather impressive diffrence after the install. It pulls non stop all the way to redline, and from a dead stop in 1st gear, start to roll without dropping the clutch and at V-Tec engagment the tires break loose. Thats with exhaust, test pipe, and intake. I haven't had any issues yet since the install. I will say that damn crankshaft pulley bolt is a real pain in the ass to take off though!

Email Poster  Ignore
Top
Offline Locost47
Posted: Oct 17 2009, 08:22 AM
· · · Quote Post
Guest




S2KI User #: 87039
S2KI Age: 1 yrs 115 days
PPD Average: 0
Enthusiast
Co.Armagh
UK -



Hi, I race a westfield with the F20c engine and have had a solid billet crank pully on the engine for three seasons of racing without issue. When the engine was stripped down after two seasons the crank journals and bearings were 110% perfect with no sings of wear. Im also running an exedy paddle clutch and cromolly flywheel. I think the main issue with aftermarket crank pullys is making sure the tolerances are as per the oem pulley. I have heard of the back of the pully which sits in the oil seal either being slightly undersized or oversized causing an eventual oil leak. The pully on my car was made using the specs of the oem pully and was hard adonised to prevent wear from the belt.

Email Poster  Ignore
Top
Offline iDomN8U
Posted: Nov 6 2009, 04:59 AM
· · · Quote Post
Member
Group IconGroup IconGroup IconGroup Icon



S2KI User #: 58298
S2KI Age: 3 yrs 195 days
PPD Average: 3.3
Owner
2003 Silverstone/Black
Ontario
CA -



Still no Dyno wink.gif

Email Poster  Ignore
Top
Offline Requiem
Posted: Nov 7 2009, 05:14 AM
· · · Quote Post
Guest




S2KI User #: 97664
S2KI Age: 0 yrs 211 days
PPD Average: 0.6
Owner
2000 Silverstone/Black-Red
Tampa
US -



I ran one on my Eclipse for about 50,000 miles. I never had any problems what-so-ever. I never even noticed more vibration. I was thinking about getting the T1R myself as soon as my Christmas shopping is finished.

Email Poster  Ignore
Top
Offline wadzii
Posted: Nov 7 2009, 05:58 AM
· · · Quote Post
Guest




S2KI User #: 9588
S2KI Age: 7 yrs 203 days
PPD Average: 0.2
Owner
2001 Berlina Black/Black-Red
Raleigh, NC
US -



the oem pulley is not a harmonic damper or whatever, the rubber in the pulley is to soften the engine pulses going through the belt to the alternator, etc. there is nothing harmonic or balancing about it.

the t1r pulley probably dosnt gain much as its not underdrive, a couple lbs that close to the center of rotation isnt going to do much as someone else here has said.

Email PosterUsers WebsiteAOL  Ignore
Top

Pages: (15) « First ... 13 14 [15]  Reply to this topicStart new topicStart Poll

Subscribe to this topic | Subscribe to this forum | Download / Print this Topic