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jdnissanz |
Posted: Jul 19 2009, 10:19 PM
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Member S2KI User #: 43676 S2KI Age: 4 yrs 353 days PPD Average: 0.8 Owner 2005 Berlina Black/Black ![]() |
I am wondering am I the only person that is ran into this issue? This is what is holding back my entire build, because my car overheated and the headgasket was gone! So no my car will have a OEM F20C engine with my same turbo kit, but I was planning on using my built block.
How many other have had a headgasket failure and had their motor built by Laskey Racing? Also, what steps did you take afterwards? James D. -------------------- ![]() 2005 Berlina Black Honda S2000: InlinePro Sidewinder Manifold//Laskey Racing Built Motor//Borg Warner S362 Turbo//Visteon Radiator//Innovate's World's First Track Motor Mounts//InlinePro 800WHP Intercooler//Full Blown Dual Fuel Set-up//Tial Q BOV//Tial 44mm Wastegate//Bosch 1000cc Injectors//Hondata K-Pro//3" Custom Downpipe and Single Exhaust (Apex'i N1)//19" HRE 546R//Pioneer AVIC-D3//Amuse Front Bumper//Amuse Carbon Fiber Hood//Tamon Rear Spoiler//Amuse Hood//Mugen Hardtop//Defi BF Series Boost and Oil Pressure Gauges//Defi Multi-Link Control//AEM UEGO//Hondata Boost By Gear//KW Variant 3 Coilovers//Infiniti Reference Speakers//JL 5005 Amp//JL 10W3V34 Sub//Tint 15% Sides and 0%Rear
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Sideways |
Posted: Jul 20 2009, 03:44 AM
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Gold Member S2KI User #: 134 S2KI Age: 9 yrs 122 days PPD Average: 2.3 Owner 2000 Berlina Black/Black-Red Huntington Beach ![]() |
Did Laskey build the entire engine or the short block?
-------------------- Dark Sideways It is better to make torque at high rpm than at low rpm when you can take advantage of gearing. 284.3 ft lbs of torque at 9400 rpm Current Dyno Playing with the big boys Joe ALANIZ is a thief
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JO TECH |
Posted: Jul 20 2009, 06:16 AM
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Member S2KI User #: 34072 S2KI Age: 5 yrs 317 days PPD Average: 0.1 Owner 2000 GrandPrix White/Red Orlando,Florida ![]() |
I have the same problem in one of my costumer cars is NOT A LASKEY ENGINE but is the same head gasket
Built engine GE Block 87mm Cp pistons ,crower rods and the cometic head gasket and the car fail 3 head gasket I thing is the machine work or something or I put something worng in the engine or the timing in the tuned nop Call GE buy a Stock 87 mm head gasket (bore out) and never had a problem in the past 5 years.... Good luck -------------------- jotechperformance.com |
JO TECH |
Posted: Jul 20 2009, 06:16 AM
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Member S2KI User #: 34072 S2KI Age: 5 yrs 317 days PPD Average: 0.1 Owner 2000 GrandPrix White/Red Orlando,Florida ![]() |
Sideways i like your signature
Joe Alaniz..... |
AndyFloyd |
Posted: Jul 20 2009, 08:53 AM
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Member S2KI User #: 74411 S2KI Age: 2 yrs 173 days PPD Average: 2 Owner 2003 Silverstone/Red ![]() |
sounds like the cometic is JUNK.
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jdnissanz |
Posted: Jul 20 2009, 10:07 AM
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Member S2KI User #: 43676 S2KI Age: 4 yrs 353 days PPD Average: 0.8 Owner 2005 Berlina Black/Black ![]() |
Yea my block needs to be resleeved... It will use a GE headgasket as well. Until then no built block this summer but an OEM F20c should suffice with my setup. Really angry Laskey used this headgasket if it fails all the time...
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Sideways |
Posted: Jul 20 2009, 10:29 AM
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Gold Member S2KI User #: 134 S2KI Age: 9 yrs 122 days PPD Average: 2.3 Owner 2000 Berlina Black/Black-Red Huntington Beach ![]() |
Studs or headbolts?
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ChefJ |
Posted: Jul 20 2009, 11:00 AM
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Guest S2KI User #: 58972 S2KI Age: 3 yrs 254 days PPD Average: 1.9 Owner 2001 Silverstone/Black Braselton, GA ![]() |
theres no reason to use anything but oem as far as the HG goes if you are on a built block.
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jdnissanz |
Posted: Jul 20 2009, 01:34 PM
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Member S2KI User #: 43676 S2KI Age: 4 yrs 353 days PPD Average: 0.8 Owner 2005 Berlina Black/Black ![]() |
Laskey used ARP headstuds, if that helps? That's what I thought when you have a built block a headgasket to lower the compression isn't needed???
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STL2SLW |
Posted: Jul 20 2009, 01:39 PM
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Member S2KI User #: 99023 S2KI Age: 0 yrs 257 days PPD Average: 0.7 Enthusiast ![]() |
I second this |
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jwa4378 |
Posted: Jul 20 2009, 02:34 PM
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Guest S2KI User #: 46116 S2KI Age: 4 yrs 282 days PPD Average: 2.5 Owner 2000 Silverstone/Red Tallahassee, FL ![]() |
Laskey uses ARP studs in all of his builds. Just use an OEM gasket sprayed with Permatex Copper (make sure you spray it evenly, and do 3 light coats).
John -------------------- "Badges.....we don't need no stinking BADGES!"
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timg |
Posted: Jul 20 2009, 03:00 PM
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Guest S2KI User #: 34142 S2KI Age: 5 yrs 315 days PPD Average: 0.7 Owner 2004 Rio/Indy Yellow/Black Riverside, IL ![]() |
My Cometic 2mm failed when my engine overheated. Overheating the motor is bad for any headgasket.
Tim -------------------- 2004 Honda S2000 GT3076R, AEM EMS and WBO2, custom tubular top mount manifold and 3" dual exhaust, 650cc injectors, Walbro 255HP, Pauter rods, Arias 9.5:1 pistons, Golden Eagle HD sleeved block, SPEC stage 2 clutch, Eclipse, Zapco, Oz Audio, Pas2knut amp rack, Modifry DCI and ECT, MacGayver/Ricks digital windscreen, Bilstein PSS9 coilovers Self tuned to 443 whp 363 lb-ft 1995 Chevy Monte Carlo Z34 Built motor with T04Z coming eventually. Self tuned to 325 whp and 350 lb-ft 2007 Saab 9-7X 5.3i HPTuners, KW V3 coilovers, LS1 efans, full stereo, intake and exhaust EFI101, EFI Advanced
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Jacko |
Posted: Jul 20 2009, 03:12 PM
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Gold Member![]() S2KI User #: 16711 S2KI Age: 7 yrs 91 days PPD Average: 3.7 Owner 2002 Spa/Indy Yellow/Black ![]() |
But I'm also wondering why your using anything but an OEM gasket with a built motor ? Do you not have low compression setup on the built motor ? --------------------
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gt30r |
Posted: Jul 20 2009, 05:39 PM
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Member![]() S2KI User #: 50992 S2KI Age: 4 yrs 133 days PPD Average: 0.6 Owner 2002 Suzuka/Nurburgring Blue/Blue Phoenix ![]() |
Oem gasket, ARP studs on a Laskey built motor
-------------------- Fast and cheap won't be reliable. Cheap and reliable won't be fast. And fast and reliable won't be cheap. Silly Ricers, Wings are for Airplanes. Laskey Racing built motor/stage 3 head, AFI Turbo twin scroll setup, Garett gt40 turbo , Exedy c/f twin disc, Tuned by UMS 761WHP/546TQ Q16
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Asura |
Posted: Jul 20 2009, 08:01 PM
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Asura Design![]() S2KI User #: 3712 S2KI Age: 8 yrs 211 days PPD Average: 3 Owner 2002 Moon Rock/Race Stripped Anaheim, Orange County ![]() |
I bet you used a Cometic because your motor was larger than 87mm bore.
Cometic gaskets are not consistent. People may have luck, but I have seen enough Cometic headgasket failures (including on the first 89mm bore Laskey Racing engine circa 2004-mine) that I would not trust one on a build. There are other options. If you need a new non-Cometic gasket, let me know. Otherwise, sorry you ran into this issue, it's not fun having to pull the head. Hopefully resurfacing the cylinderhead is all you will need. I recommend checking the surface properly. You will also want to check for bent valves. Visually they may appear fine, but they could be out .001-.003". This will effect your compression and leakdown numbers. Let me know if I can answer any other questions for you. -Asura This post has been edited by Asura on Jul 20 2009, 08:01 PM -------------------- Asura...Tel:714-632-8723 Email:.sales@asuradesign.com -3" Dual Exhaust GB--Monoball Suspension--MUGEN HEADLINER- MADE IN THE USA S2000..TUNING..EXHAUST..SUSPENSION..ENGINES..RACING PARTS AEM Certified Tuner. SoCal Dyno Tuning and Horsepower building AEM, Hondata, MoTec Tuning, Engine-building and Racing. Dyno-Tuning and Built by Asura 2008 SCCA ITE and ITR 1ST PLACE OVERALL!!!!!! Isabella '02 Sebring/Red -the Phantom- Miliana '02 Sebring/Blk -Daily grinding Sophie '03 Berlina/TIGed - Silent but deadly... Samantha '00 Silverstone/Bllk-Red- Retired
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godmachine |
Posted: Jul 20 2009, 08:07 PM
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Member![]() S2KI User #: 35695 S2KI Age: 5 yrs 253 days PPD Average: 1.2 Owner 2002 Sebring Silver/Black houston ![]() |
I had my motor built by Laskey 2 years ago and they told me only to use a oem gasket with copper spray
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jwa4378 |
Posted: Jul 21 2009, 06:49 AM
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Guest S2KI User #: 46116 S2KI Age: 4 yrs 282 days PPD Average: 2.5 Owner 2000 Silverstone/Red Tallahassee, FL ![]() |
John |
JO TECH |
Posted: Jul 21 2009, 09:35 AM
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Member S2KI User #: 34072 S2KI Age: 5 yrs 317 days PPD Average: 0.1 Owner 2000 GrandPrix White/Red Orlando,Florida ![]() |
Oem is the best.....
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jdnissanz |
Posted: Jul 21 2009, 04:50 PM
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Member S2KI User #: 43676 S2KI Age: 4 yrs 353 days PPD Average: 0.8 Owner 2005 Berlina Black/Black ![]() |
This is exactly what I am thinking, but Mike Laskey asked for my goals and what packages I wanted. Then he shipped the motor, was supposed to be simple, but now turned VERY COMPLICATED! |
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jdnissanz |
Posted: Jul 21 2009, 04:52 PM
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Member S2KI User #: 43676 S2KI Age: 4 yrs 353 days PPD Average: 0.8 Owner 2005 Berlina Black/Black ![]() |
Thats funny because I sent him my entire motor so he could do the Stage II head package and build the bottom end and he still ended up using the Cometic headgasket! WHY ME??? Well I have to live with this shit and won't be able to use the motor until next summer... |
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jdnissanz |
Posted: Jul 21 2009, 04:54 PM
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Member S2KI User #: 43676 S2KI Age: 4 yrs 353 days PPD Average: 0.8 Owner 2005 Berlina Black/Black ![]() |
Also I am pretty sure I stayed at 87mm bore. Mike told me this would give me an advantage if anything goes wrong because then he can just bore it a little larger.
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Asura |
Posted: Jul 21 2009, 05:08 PM
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Asura Design![]() S2KI User #: 3712 S2KI Age: 8 yrs 211 days PPD Average: 3 Owner 2002 Moon Rock/Race Stripped Anaheim, Orange County ![]() |
I just talked to Laskey about this. I think he mentioned that your bore was an 88mm. You should confirm that with him.
Laskey uses the Cometic and OEM headgaskets interchangeably as they have never given him an issue. To each his own. You should give him a call about this. If you blew your headgasket because of a coolant line leaking, that is not really an issue with the headgasket per se. Regardless, I would make sure you have all your details confirmed with your engine builder before going any further. -Asura This post has been edited by Asura on Jul 21 2009, 05:10 PM |
earl1 |
Posted: Jul 21 2009, 05:21 PM
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Guest S2KI User #: 51004 S2KI Age: 4 yrs 133 days PPD Average: 0 Enthusiast ![]() |
The engine was built with a Cometic gasket and arp head studs. I use both Cometic or OEM with great luck. I have always used Cometic gaskets on my personal engines making over 900hp no problem. Cometic gaskets are used on nascar which is indurance racing as well as 6000hp top fuel drag cars. I can't argue with that! I will never say it was just an issue with Cometic. When I got a call from you, you stated that you were on a highway full throttle. You lost a hose of some sort and had a coolant leak. This would lead to the engine running hot esp. with no coolant/water in the block. With the nature of this, any head gasket would blow! The engine was built to take your 600hp no problem as you saw on the dyno...it made the hp with awesome success! But me nor Cometic can control the fact that you had a leak/crack one a coolant hose. Like I told you when you called, feel free to contact me with any questions and I am always here to help =) Since you did have this issue, maybe try a oem...cant hurt any as they are both great gaskets if you are scared to try another Cometic. Bore size is 88mm. If you need further assistance, feel free to call or email me.
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jdnissanz |
Posted: Jul 22 2009, 10:18 AM
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Member S2KI User #: 43676 S2KI Age: 4 yrs 353 days PPD Average: 0.8 Owner 2005 Berlina Black/Black ![]() |
Hey Mike I hope you don't think I'm trying to dog you out on the forums. By no means am I trying to do that I just wanted to know if it was a common problem. I will get back to you very soon jusy that Profunction is putting a stock block in so I can enjoy the far for the rest of the summer. I am by no means saying Mike Laskey doesn't know how to build motors because that would be blantantly stupid. Sorry anout spelling/grammar issues typing on my phone. Mike you are more than right that the block handled the power and wouldve ran forever. But I was wondering about everyone that got built by you andgot a Cometic headgasker or a different headgasket and their results. Just to be clear this post is not to slander Mike Laskey amd his work! Also he has been answering all my quesrions and my tuners quesrions very fast! Big up to Mike Laskey and I hope no offense was taken. Mike should know by know how chicken shit I am about every little thing that happens to my car.. James D. |
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AndyFloyd |
Posted: Jul 22 2009, 03:45 PM
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Member S2KI User #: 74411 S2KI Age: 2 yrs 173 days PPD Average: 2 Owner 2003 Silverstone/Red ![]() |
laskey
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