B serious

At their current $1900 price? No. They're not overkill. They offer fantastic road feel and good ride quality (with proper setup).

But that's my opinion. Some people will see $1900 as quite a bit...and I don't blame them. I do value suspension feel more than the average.

At their original $2400, I would never have considered them for a "just street" coilover.

They're not inherantly much faster than stock or PSS9's by themselves. They just feel really good...and they offer tons of room to grow into a faster setup.

Comfort wise, a properly setup Öhlins is probably a very small step up from a properly set up PSS9...or properly set up Koni yellow.

Singh_snisen

1900$? Damn that's cheap. Last time I checked they wer over 2500$. Man guess time flies.

B serious

People found out they could get them from Europe for like $1800-1900 shipped/taxed.

So...Im sure it prompted US distribution to do something about US dealer pricing.

Singh_snisen

Interesting. Maybe just like the case with seats. I could get sparco seats from the U.K. Shipped for 600$. And USA prices are close to 1k.

beefystud

any one know how much the ohlins weight vs bilstein vs oem ?

Apex1.0

No comparison.

One is is a simple but effective monotube with a shit box adjuster that's worthless. Get the pss

The other is another monotube, with both a precision adjuster and a ultra high speed oil path allowing a range of damping the bilstein can only dream of.

Pss is awsome simple and effective oem replacement. The b16 is that great damping with a goof ball adjuster that's worthless.

hecash

Unless you have no fillings in your teeth, they are only a track option. I enjoyed the two track days that I used them but, even on the softest setting, pulled them off after three weeks of summer driving with them.

s2ka

Whats your reasoning for saying the PSS9 adjustment is so bad? From my experience they can be adjusted from very soft to firm. All 9 settings are usable and I can feel the difference. And they're easy to adjust, just turn the dial by hand. I've seen a few people who didn't assemble the adjustment knob correctly, but that's about the only criticism I've heard.

Any idea how the PSS pre-set damping compares to the range of the PSS9? Is it like 1, 5, 9?

lovegroova

I agree, There was a significant difference between the various settings on my old PSS9s.

A friend had the PSS, and, whilst they were good, they were a little too stiff/uncomfortable for my old bones on shitty English roads. I'd say they were the equivalent of 3-5 click from full stiff on the PSS9s.

On full stiff, they worked very nicely indeed on track (I'm only there for some fun, not super fast lap times).

I ran them on 6 out of 9 on the road.

Car Analogy

The pss9 adjisters adjust, just not consistently. From one click to the next doesn't produce a proportional change. As made up example, changing from click 5 to click 6 might give a 10% change, but then 6 to 7 is 35%, then 7 to 8 is 1% (I just made up these numbers for illustration.) Worse, they are inconsistent from one shock to the next. So to make them close to even left to right might require 5 clicks on one side, 7 on the other. But without a shock dyno, you'd never be able to tell how much they are off one side to the other.

So all you are doing with the adjusters is throwing darts at a board, and not really seeing where they landed.

How do we know all this? Cause smart people that know how to build shocks have put them on a shock dyno, and figured all this out for us.

The bottom line is Bilstein doesn't like shock adjusters, and they include them only because that sells. If they didn't have pss9, they'd lose a lot of sales to people that want shiny knobs to play with. So they don't put a lot of effort into making good shock adjusters.