RUINER831

So by this man's logic, if TS was in an Evo racing an S2K from a stop, his response would be "you're racing RWD cars from a dig".

Anyways, nice kill bro.

woodburn

What constitutes a a race between 2 cars? A traditional drag race on a proper track. What does it mean if you say "well I can beat this car from 60-120, but at the track he smokes me" beating a certain car at certain speeds doesn't really mean anything. That's why roll racing is not a certified event.

That's why auto makers don't publish roll racing times.

GrandMasterKhan

I believe that racing from a roll gives a better idea of how a car makes power. It is a level playing field.

woodburn

No it gives a better idea of how a car looses power (trough drivetrain).

Race a civic that traps the same speed as you and watch it pull away. You run a better time at the track but he beat you on a roll because of drivetrain loss.

RUINER831

What constitutes a a race between 2 cars? A traditional drag race on a proper track. What does it mean if you say "well I can beat this car from 60-120, but at the track he smokes me" beating a certain car at certain speeds doesn't really mean anything. That's why roll racing is not a certified event.

That's why auto makers don't publish roll racing times.
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You are certainly correct. But we're talking street encounters. If you wanna talk drag racing, go to the racing and competition subforum.

177ark

+1

What constitutes a a race between 2 cars? A traditional drag race on a proper track. What does it mean if you say "well I can beat this car from 60-120, but at the track he smokes me" beating a certain car at certain speeds doesn't really mean anything. That's why roll racing is not a certified event.

That's why auto makers don't publish roll racing times.
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You are certainly correct. But we're talking street encounters. If you wanna talk drag racing, go to the racing and competition subforum.
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GrandMasterKhan

That is assuming you only care about drag racing. if all we cared about was how much a car lost through the drivetrain then all we would need to do is compare dyno sheets.

Roll racing shows how two cars will accelerate from any predermined speed. The faster car wins.

Drag racing is all about the 60ft and traction/launch.



Example: KraftWerks Powered S2k: 355whp VS 04 Z06 405whp. From a roll we were DEAD EVEN. But from a stop he would pull ahead because of better traction off the line. But Our acceleration is effectively the same.

woodburn

What constitutes a a race between 2 cars? A traditional drag race on a proper track. What does it mean if you say "well I can beat this car from 60-120, but at the track he smokes me" beating a certain car at certain speeds doesn't really mean anything. That's why roll racing is not a certified event.

That's why auto makers don't publish roll racing times.
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You are certainly correct. But we're talking street encounters. If you wanna talk drag racing, go to the racing and competition subforum.
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Most of the street racing around here is from a dig, where your ability to launch a car efficient comes into play.

Disgustipated

Guy in the Evo 6 is a retard. If he had any idea what he was doing or was tuned properly with a decent setup, he'd eat you alive. 10 psi on an Evo... if that guy is serious, he's a joke. Good kill.

Disgustipated

Um, no. Drivetrain loss has NOTHING to do with roll racing. I don't know why people perpetuate this myth.

If two cars trap the same, that is their speed AT THE QUARTER MILE MARK. This means they will be travelling the same speed at that point in a 1/4 mile.

This is what matters in roll racing: aerodynamics, gearing, power to weight ratio, powerband, SHIFT SPEED! Drivetrain loss has NOTHING, repeat, nothing to do with it. You really think drivetrain loss due to how many wheels are being powered is more important than the gearing, how the gearing affects where in the powerband the car is after every shift, aerodynamics, and also how fast you shift?

Also, as an aside, turbo cars may or may not take time to build up boost after every shift. One of the reasons a GTR is so goddamn fast in a straightline is because it shifts so fast AND the turbos stay spooled INBETWEEN SHIFTS. Obviously supercharged cars don't suffer from this.