Stock class SCCA autocross rules/class changes 2014 & 2015
#1
Stock class SCCA autocross rules/class changes 2014 & 2015
Not sure if you all have heard this yet, but if you're into autocrossing your S2k, you probably know already. That being said, I'll just outline some key things:
1. Tire allowances are changing so that by 2015 you will have to use 200+ UTQG treadwear rated tires
2. Swaybars are basically free!! stock, removed, totally completely modified, it's all legal in 2015 (2014?).
3. Rules about shocks are changing, but not until 2015. Double adjustable, yes. External reservoir, NO!
4. Other rule changes, but you can look that up for yourselves now that your interest is sparked (but the CR's will now be in A-stock, which will be changed to A-street, but still called 'AS').
With # 3 in mind (the shock changes), what are the major non-external double adjustable shocks out there? Currently the big names are JRZ, Ohlins, Penske, Moton, and Koni (others?). Obviously valving is everything for autocross, but it sounds like if you run Ohlins, Penskes, or Motons then you will have to change by 2015, or switch classes due to the reservoir rule. Does this mean the JRZ's or Koni's will be the way to go?
I am in the market for shocks for 2014. Not wanting to get something that will be useless for me in one year, I plan to go with the Konis (but I'm open to others). I am planning to do some pro solo events, GA and Colorado to be specific, maybe more if all goes well. Knowing all of this, where does one acquire a set of Konis valved specifically for Stock class autocross and a 2002 S2000? I am looking for a company/group that already has the knowledge about how to valve the shocks for autocross, not a company that is going to require me to supply a lot of information that I don't have access to. This is the last 'big' modification for the car being that I have the big front bar (though that may change with the new rules), tires, and aggressive brake pads.
Thank you in advance!
P.S. Are there any other manufacturers to offer double adjustable non-external shocks that are/can be valved for autocross? I have seen a little bit about Motion Suspension, anyone have experience? They seem kind of pricey, is the performance worth it, are we talking 0.100 or less seconds improvement or is it more like 0.500 seconds improvement?
1. Tire allowances are changing so that by 2015 you will have to use 200+ UTQG treadwear rated tires
2. Swaybars are basically free!! stock, removed, totally completely modified, it's all legal in 2015 (2014?).
3. Rules about shocks are changing, but not until 2015. Double adjustable, yes. External reservoir, NO!
4. Other rule changes, but you can look that up for yourselves now that your interest is sparked (but the CR's will now be in A-stock, which will be changed to A-street, but still called 'AS').
With # 3 in mind (the shock changes), what are the major non-external double adjustable shocks out there? Currently the big names are JRZ, Ohlins, Penske, Moton, and Koni (others?). Obviously valving is everything for autocross, but it sounds like if you run Ohlins, Penskes, or Motons then you will have to change by 2015, or switch classes due to the reservoir rule. Does this mean the JRZ's or Koni's will be the way to go?
I am in the market for shocks for 2014. Not wanting to get something that will be useless for me in one year, I plan to go with the Konis (but I'm open to others). I am planning to do some pro solo events, GA and Colorado to be specific, maybe more if all goes well. Knowing all of this, where does one acquire a set of Konis valved specifically for Stock class autocross and a 2002 S2000? I am looking for a company/group that already has the knowledge about how to valve the shocks for autocross, not a company that is going to require me to supply a lot of information that I don't have access to. This is the last 'big' modification for the car being that I have the big front bar (though that may change with the new rules), tires, and aggressive brake pads.
Thank you in advance!
P.S. Are there any other manufacturers to offer double adjustable non-external shocks that are/can be valved for autocross? I have seen a little bit about Motion Suspension, anyone have experience? They seem kind of pricey, is the performance worth it, are we talking 0.100 or less seconds improvement or is it more like 0.500 seconds improvement?
#2
Dunno if you're seeing something I'm not.
Last I heard, shock rules didn't change from stock. There was a proposal earlier about external reservoirs, but I didn't think that went through (was retracted fairly early on).
Swaybars are not free. You still only get one choice. Either front or rear modification.
Also you're missing the other two key changes.
+1/-1 wheels and no turn-down/ cutoff exhausts.
Last I heard, shock rules didn't change from stock. There was a proposal earlier about external reservoirs, but I didn't think that went through (was retracted fairly early on).
Swaybars are not free. You still only get one choice. Either front or rear modification.
Also you're missing the other two key changes.
+1/-1 wheels and no turn-down/ cutoff exhausts.
#3
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Sounds like you're looking at a six month-old version of the proposal that eventually became the Street classes.
The actual official 2014 rules can be viewed here: http://scca.cdn.racersites.com/prod/...ck-nov-BoD.pdf. 2 and 3 from your list above didn't make the final cut.
The thread on this forum where the changes are being discussed is here: https://www.s2ki.com/s2000/topic/103...info-on-street.
The actual official 2014 rules can be viewed here: http://scca.cdn.racersites.com/prod/...ck-nov-BoD.pdf. 2 and 3 from your list above didn't make the final cut.
The thread on this forum where the changes are being discussed is here: https://www.s2ki.com/s2000/topic/103...info-on-street.
#4
Sounds like you're looking at a six month-old version of the proposal that eventually became the Street classes.
The actual official 2014 rules can be viewed here: http://scca.cdn.racersites.com/prod/...ck-nov-BoD.pdf. 2 and 3 from your list above didn't make the final cut.
The thread on this forum where the changes are being discussed is here: https://www.s2ki.com/s2000/topic/103...info-on-street.
The actual official 2014 rules can be viewed here: http://scca.cdn.racersites.com/prod/...ck-nov-BoD.pdf. 2 and 3 from your list above didn't make the final cut.
The thread on this forum where the changes are being discussed is here: https://www.s2ki.com/s2000/topic/103...info-on-street.
Does anyone else not understand why 'stock (street)' class means you can spend $4000 on shocks, but not do small changes like a strut bar? I thought part of the reason we even had 'stock' class was so that people who were new to autocross or who didn't want to spend a great deal of money on modifying their cars could run and compete. Now it seems that you need to spend a large portion of your yearly salary just to compete in a class that is considered 'stock'!!!
Maybe I'll just skip the autocrossing and go straight to the track. It's only a little bit more expensive to get all the safety items anyway!
(sorry for the rant)
#5
Originally Posted by PedalFaster' timestamp='1383198924' post='22854860
Sounds like you're looking at a six month-old version of the proposal that eventually became the Street classes.
The actual official 2014 rules can be viewed here: http://scca.cdn.racersites.com/prod/...ck-nov-BoD.pdf. 2 and 3 from your list above didn't make the final cut.
The thread on this forum where the changes are being discussed is here: https://www.s2ki.com/s2000/topic/103...info-on-street.
The actual official 2014 rules can be viewed here: http://scca.cdn.racersites.com/prod/...ck-nov-BoD.pdf. 2 and 3 from your list above didn't make the final cut.
The thread on this forum where the changes are being discussed is here: https://www.s2ki.com/s2000/topic/103...info-on-street.
Does anyone else not understand why 'stock (street)' class means you can spend $4000 on shocks, but not do small changes like a strut bar? I thought part of the reason we even had 'stock' class was so that people who were new to autocross or who didn't want to spend a great deal of money on modifying their cars could run and compete. Now it seems that you need to spend a large portion of your yearly salary just to compete in a class that is considered 'stock'!!!
Maybe I'll just skip the autocrossing and go straight to the track. It's only a little bit more expensive to get all the safety items anyway!
(sorry for the rant)
The reason they don't allow strut bars is that every allowance you get means you have to do that allowance. On one hand you're complaining about too many costs but then you want more allowances? If you allowed a strut bar then you'd have to buy a strut bar too (although maybe not because it doesn't do anything on an s2k but that's beside the point). There's no good reason to allow strut bars.
Shocks wear out, so they have to allow shock replacement. If your beef is that the shock rule changed back to stock rules instead of the proposed early one you read, then you must understand canisters are irrelevant. You can get shocks that are just as good without canisters as the ones with canisters, except they're usually more expensive without canisters. There's no good way to write a shock rule unfortunately while not allowing the super serious people to spend gobs of money on shocks.
#6
you dont necessarily need 4000 shocks to be competitive in street class stock. or RT. revlaved koni's have proven themselves and some have stuck with stock shocks or upgraded to the CR bodies. and regarding a bar, you can easily go with a 300 dollar bar and not have to spend 1k plus on a gendron or ARE sway bars. but most will since they might want the adjust-ability for when they move up to a different class that might require more bar. some people spent money on penske shocks because they had the money and want best of the best. but thats on a totally different level where you are chasing tenths. it seems you are rather new to the sport like i am. this is my first year. you can get a lot more improvement just with seat time. i ran stock shocks in RT class for a year and i was not far off from the podium winners (in my local region).
as for the wheel size i agree AP1 guys still have it hard.
IMHO i think road course track days will ultimately be more expensive. youll burn more fuel, pads and rotors will take a beating etc.
i drive an ap2v2. the softest of the 3 models. 4 if you count the CR by itself.
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as for the wheel size i agree AP1 guys still have it hard.
IMHO i think road course track days will ultimately be more expensive. youll burn more fuel, pads and rotors will take a beating etc.
i drive an ap2v2. the softest of the 3 models. 4 if you count the CR by itself.
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#7
The thing about swaybars is that if you can adjust both sways, you can fake spring rate and get crazy stiff front and rear bars that would make cars undrivable and unlivable.
By only doing one, you are limiting what you can do without totally screwing stuff up. If you want to do both, just go STR.
By only doing one, you are limiting what you can do without totally screwing stuff up. If you want to do both, just go STR.
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#10
competition has definitely gotten stiffer and the tuning of the s2000 has progressed quite a bit. in no way am i discrediting the man im sure he is a talented driver. but you dont wanna go into a gun fight with a knife.
to the op, autocross can be as competitive as you want it to be or as fun as you want it to be. you just need to decide how much you want to participate.
to the op, autocross can be as competitive as you want it to be or as fun as you want it to be. you just need to decide how much you want to participate.