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NT01 vs RS3 Are they worth the extra $$$

#1 User is offline   Requiem 

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Posted 31 October 2013 - 10:31 PM

I mostly autocross the car and it sees may 100 miles per month of street time. Maybe. I have 225/255 Hankook RS3s on it now which are nearing the end of their life. When I do drive it on the street I have a different set of wheels/tires. I do plan on doing a track day or 2 at Sebring this upcoming year. Do you guys think its worth it to spend the extra money and get the NT01's over the Hankooks? Here is the current set up on my car now.

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Posted 31 October 2013 - 10:50 PM

I am in the same boat because my RS3's are near their end. Will you be faster on R-compounds? Yes. Would it be more fun? That is subjective. For me right now I will probably stay on street tires because:
1. I do not want to drive to events on my R-compounds.
2. Even if I do a switch of tires at the track that means, I need to buy a trailer and hitch. Pay for annual trailer registration and store the trailer at home somewhere.
3. R compounds will have half the life and cost more.
4. Higher g-loads, and I don't have an accusump or the soon to be released Canton oil pan (if they ever get around to doing it)
5. R-compound hugely masks errors in driving. Sliding my RS3 and having to be gentle on the throttle is teaching me tons.

Nonetheless, I will probably go R-compound in the future, but I will do that when I have the extra $$$$ to spend (assuming I still have my car... it is up for sale :p

Also my car is FAR more modified than your car. I would do more track oriented modifications before going to R-compound tires.
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Posted 31 October 2013 - 10:50 PM

Are you willing to deal with suspension arm tear-out?
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Posted 31 October 2013 - 11:20 PM

NT01's aren't significantly faster than the rs3's. Also, they will not last on the street (ask me how I know hah)

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Posted 31 October 2013 - 11:43 PM

 gen2gsr, on 31 October 2013 - 10:50 PM, said:

Are you willing to deal with suspension arm tear-out?
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I think you can just weld the mounts to the frame without spending $700 on gusset plates.

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Posted 01 November 2013 - 12:17 AM

Your car setup doesn't really seem well suited for r-comps IMO
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Posted 01 November 2013 - 12:23 AM

I agree.^
Stick with street tires, until the car prep and driver prep matches, you wont be able to tell the difference. RS3's are fast tires.

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Posted 01 November 2013 - 01:24 AM

I was not impressed with my experience with NT01s. In fact, I ran faster times on RS3s than I did on a fresh set of NT01s. The Nittos transition quicker and have a tad bit more absolute grip, but I really like the slip characteristics of an RS3 and they last a lot longer than the Nitto.
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Posted 01 November 2013 - 06:09 AM

NT01s aren't much of an upgrade. And if you're on OEM brake pads I wouldn't try and increase overall speeds.
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Posted 01 November 2013 - 07:27 AM

if you are gonna mostly autocross with your set up as is go with the RS3. they will last longer from what i have read. and if you are gonna be mostly autocrossing it seems your set up will land you in STR. you might as well spend money for a sway bar and some squared up wheels, this will serve you double duty anyways.

im not sure about needing gusset plates (unless you suggested this for road racing). many s2k's run B Stock with r comps and the car seems to do just fine. please enlighten me and pardon me for my noobiness. i am not very well versed in track day prep.
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Posted 01 November 2013 - 07:30 AM

stick with rs3

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Posted 01 November 2013 - 08:24 AM

I am also going to replace my tires and have roughly the same set up. I agree with Davidnyc. NT01 are out of the picture for me. I am debating between RS3 and BF Goodrich Rivals. Right now, I am 80% set on the Rivals. Check out these links:

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Posted 01 November 2013 - 03:39 PM

 iamxpL, on 01 November 2013 - 07:27 AM, said:

im not sure about needing gusset plates (unless you suggested this for road racing). many s2k's run B Stock with r comps and the car seems to do just fine. please enlighten me and pardon me for my noobiness. i am not very well versed in track day prep.


AP1s on Hoosiers were tearing the bracket spot welds in autocross. There's a published TSB fix that allows them to be legally seam welded like the AP2s. No gusset plates allowed in stock class. Yes, a few if us have had this done.

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Posted 01 November 2013 - 03:46 PM

Remember in autocross NT01s will put you against hoosiers while the RS3s are a "street tire"

And since NT01s really aren't any faster RS3's are definitely the way to go unless you want to try another 200 treadwear competitor to the RS3
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Posted 01 November 2013 - 03:51 PM

NT01s are faster than RS3 on a road course not sure about autox, but I'd wager they are faster there too. But is it worth it? Probably not.

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Posted 01 November 2013 - 03:58 PM

 CKit, on 01 November 2013 - 03:39 PM, said:

 iamxpL, on 01 November 2013 - 07:27 AM, said:

im not sure about needing gusset plates (unless you suggested this for road racing). many s2k's run B Stock with r comps and the car seems to do just fine. please enlighten me and pardon me for my noobiness. i am not very well versed in track day prep.


AP1s on Hoosiers were tearing the bracket spot welds in autocross. There's a published TSB fix that allows them to be legally seam welded like the AP2s. No gusset plates allowed in stock class. Yes, a few if us have had this done.


According to one of the Spoon distributors the gusset plates are actually Honda parts, so maybe they should be allowed? :)
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Posted 01 November 2013 - 04:44 PM

Andrew you make a good point. lol but i dont think i will ever find myself on R comps anyways. i hope to maybe some day need the gussets cause im driving so fast. lol but i think thats quite a ways from now.

@ckit thanks for the info, learn something new everyday.


@s2000ellier - theres really no place for the NT01 in autocross due to the rules for tw rating. i wonder which is faster NT01 or R1R?

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Posted 01 November 2013 - 04:59 PM

I would have thought NT01 are legal in stock class and the Prepared classes.

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Posted 01 November 2013 - 05:46 PM

 s2000ellier, on 01 November 2013 - 04:59 PM, said:

I would have thought NT01 are legal in stock class and the Prepared classes.


They are, but so are Hoosier A6's, which are in a completely different world of performance

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Posted 01 November 2013 - 05:47 PM

they are .. but like integraR said it will be going against Hoosiers in Bstock and prepared classes. Road tire class i believe is going under change to 200 tw. another reason why hankook has changed their rating to 200 from the previous 140?

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Posted 01 November 2013 - 06:48 PM

Sure A6 but you can drive to the track on NT01's.

OP also didnt say anything about Hoosiers

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Posted 01 November 2013 - 07:10 PM

 s2000ellier, on 01 November 2013 - 06:48 PM, said:

Sure A6 but you can drive to the track on NT01's.

OP also didnt say anything about Hoosiers


If you're on Hankooks, you compete against Hankooks and similar. Fair Race.

If you're on NT01s, you compete against Hoosiers and are completely outmatched.

You don't think that's an important consideration when choosing between the two?

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Posted 01 November 2013 - 07:21 PM

Not to derail this thread further than it already has been...

This guy is not competing he is learning, asking for advice.

He is asking if NT01's are worth the extra cost compared to RS3's on a non trailer queen car.

I think we've all answered that with a "no, stick with RS3s" because we all know you should have a good amount of seat time on street tires so you don't let the Rcomps mask bad habits which can happen if you go right into super sticky tires.

You can give a noob A6's and a jacket winning champion all seasons, wheres your bet going ;)

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Posted 01 November 2013 - 08:29 PM

well we havent heard from the op. we really dont know if he is going to compete and adhere to a class.

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Posted 02 November 2013 - 01:00 AM

Thanks for the input guys. General consensus is to stick with the Hankooks so that's what I'm going to do. It's just too bad they are on such a long back order. I have mostly done test and tunes and haven't really competed this season. Not that my driving is bad, but it could use some polishing. I just want to make sure the car is well equipped and I'm not wasting money on one thing when it could go to something more important.

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