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Posted 14 November 2013 - 12:23 PM

Here are the AP1 and AP2 dyno graphs.

AP1: Stock other than Kraftwerks Supercharger Kit

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AP2: Headers, Exhaust, Intake and Kraftwerks Supercharger Kit

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For those that are interested we have some of these kits shipping shortly!!

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Posted 14 November 2013 - 12:57 PM

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Here are the AP1 and AP2 dyno graphs.

AP1: Stock other than Kraftwerks Supercharger Kit

AP2: Headers, Exhaust, Intake and Kraftwerks Supercharger Kit

For those that are interested we have some of these kits shipping shortly!!


For anyone to be interested in these new kits we are gonna need some comparison dynos from the old kit (which I currently have) to the new one. Perhaps telling us what type of dyno would help too. Being that the old kits with the C30-94 blower made similar power. It doesn't look very appealing. Just my $.02.
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Posted 14 November 2013 - 01:14 PM

Those look like solid results to me!

Do you happen to have a boost graph?

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Posted 14 November 2013 - 01:58 PM

ehh, show us a dyno on that dyno of c30 kit. then might look great.
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Posted 14 November 2013 - 03:29 PM

The current KW supercharger kit for the AP1 was 345+ whp on the SK2 dyno while the AP2 made 360+ whp whereas the old 30-94 high boost was 315 whp.

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Posted 14 November 2013 - 03:39 PM

Now we're talking. Anyone there tried to max out the blower?

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Posted 14 November 2013 - 03:57 PM

I made 355whp with the old highboost kit, through the stock exhaust. Verifed on several different dynos. I think its great that you have redesigned the kit. But the real question is What is the potential of the new kit?
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Posted 14 November 2013 - 04:03 PM

Look pretty week to me. If I was intrested in a supercharger why would I get this over a SOS novi 1200 kit?
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Posted 14 November 2013 - 04:42 PM

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The current KW supercharger kit for the AP1 was 345+ whp on the SK2 dyno while the AP2 made 360+ whp whereas the old 30-94 high boost was 315 whp.


Hmm...on the Kw website it used to say 364whp for the highboost kit @10lbs.

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Posted 14 November 2013 - 05:02 PM

Throw on a smaller pulley and up the boost and lets see what it will do. I assume its currently at 10lbs? What is the blower good for? People want 14lbs pump piss and some E85 pulls.

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Posted 14 November 2013 - 05:56 PM

View Posts2000442, on 14 November 2013 - 05:02 PM, said:

Throw on a smaller pulley and up the boost and lets see what it will do. I assume its currently at 10lbs? What is the blower good for? People want 14lbs pump piss and some E85 pulls.

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But not everyone can do e85.
I for one wanna do it,but i can find any locals who has it.
N beside e85 these days r so high n not as effecienc like gasonline.i think its only like 3/2 of mpg right?

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Posted 14 November 2013 - 06:24 PM

SAE 1349 correction. This is more conservative than the previous SAE standard, which many dyno operators are still using.

As OP mentioned, the old kit made 315hp on this particular dyno. However, most guys with the old kit are making around 350hp on average. Read between the lines...

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Posted 14 November 2013 - 10:41 PM

More useful information is needed. What psi level was the blower at on each of those dynos. A comparison dyno between the old and new kit is needed as well. Pulley/psi/blower rpm specs need to be provided for people who want more than what the bolt on kit has to offer.

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Posted 16 November 2013 - 10:36 AM

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Hmm...on the Kw website it used to say 364whp for the highboost kit @10lbs.


To confirm my memory...
http://www.gotuning....products_id=940

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Posted 16 November 2013 - 11:42 AM

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Hmm...on the Kw website it used to say 364whp for the highboost kit @10lbs.


To confirm my memory...
http://www.gotuning....products_id=940


That dyno sheet is quoted at saying that car had a skunk2 catback with stock header and cat..

Again, more data is needed to show the potential of this new c38 kit. Compared to the old kit based on what we know, I do not think anyone is impressed.

Also, I know kw has the data, they just need to share it. Until that happens they should keep the project camaro off the dyno and put the c38 powered s2k back on until these parameters are shared. They sure liks to give teasers alot on the facebook account...

The community is sick and tired of waiting on KW. It is getting old

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Posted 16 November 2013 - 12:39 PM

^^^^ :thumbup:

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Posted 16 November 2013 - 12:54 PM

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View Post06S2k07Si, on 16 November 2013 - 10:36 AM, said:

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Hmm...on the Kw website it used to say 364whp for the highboost kit @10lbs.


To confirm my memory...
http://www.gotuning....products_id=940


That dyno sheet is quoted at saying that car had a skunk2 catback with stock header and cat..

Again, more data is needed to show the potential of this new c38 kit. Compared to the old kit based on what we know, I do not think anyone is impressed.

Also, I know kw has the data, they just need to share it. Until that happens they should keep the project camaro off the dyno and put the c38 powered s2k back on until these parameters are shared. They sure liks to give teasers alot on the facebook account...

The community is sick and tired of waiting on KW. It is getting old

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Posted 16 November 2013 - 01:04 PM

I had the first AP1 Kraftwerks Hi boost kit. I still have my old dyno graphs some where. I will post them up. They were done at the skunk 2 dyno.

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Posted 16 November 2013 - 01:18 PM

So when I compare this kit against an SOS Stage 2 w/ Novi 1200 upgrade, EMS, Fuel System "complete" (so far as I can tell, the SOS site sure doesn't make it easy) kit, the KW kit appears to make a much more compelling hp/$ argument with the High Boost w/ Tuning kit. $6200'ish (not even sure that includes shipping) on the SOS kit vs $5250 shipped on the KW kit.

What am I missing here?

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Posted 16 November 2013 - 01:48 PM

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So when I compare this kit against an SOS Stage 2 w/ Novi 1200 upgrade, EMS, Fuel System "complete" (so far as I can tell, the SOS site sure doesn't make it easy) kit, the KW kit appears to make a much more compelling hp/$ argument with the High Boost w/ Tuning kit. $6200'ish (not even sure that includes shipping) on the SOS kit vs $5250 shipped on the KW kit.

What am I missing here?


There is not enough information available about the kw kit to even start that comparison yet.

Please find that dyno sheet!

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Posted 16 November 2013 - 03:12 PM

Im sorry to the OP. I dont want to be the asshole with the attitude. But KW and members on here have been playing with our heads about a c38 option for the old kit for years. Now to come out with an entire new kit (which is what the majority wants) and have smaller companies advertise for them makes me scratch my head.

All we want is the raw facts. What rpm the blower is spining at on the provided charts, most importantly what rpm the blower CAN safely spin to, and what size pullies will be made available to purchase. There are more questions, but until we know those three questions I will not bother with any others.

I have reliable sources who have spoken to KW employees quoting 450hp shouldnt be a problem on these kits. But 450whp and 450 engine hp are two very different things.

I feel the community wants a rotrex kit that can support 450whp MINIMUM. I hope KW will post dyno plots and spec sheets for a s2000 with these figures before they expect people to upgrade to this new kit.

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Posted 16 November 2013 - 11:26 PM

ahh, I'm just too trusting.

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Posted 17 November 2013 - 03:09 AM

Ive been reading more on the TTS set ups with these blowers. they claim 20 psi with the c38-91 and 17 psi with the c38-81. they have a few making 500 hp on pump gas. but I dont know any feedback on those cars at all.


KW just needs to show us these blowers can make the same psi with their kits and I know the power will be there. Then this will be something big to talk about.
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Posted 17 November 2013 - 03:37 AM

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Posted 17 November 2013 - 08:24 AM

The original kit was c30-94 -- the new one is C38 ???
Question, is the C38 unit can fit to the old kit C30 bracket? --- I am only asking the Bracket.
Do you have to buy the new c38 bracket???

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