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s2000 vs. e46 m3 handling

#1 User is offline   ej6 

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Posted 20 March 2003 - 07:35 PM

A lot of people think a s2000 handles better than an e46 m3.

Its funny because in best motoring...they put the m3 up against the nsx.

The s2000 is not in the same class as the e46 m3....the nsx is.

I dont understand why some think the s2000 handles better.

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Posted 20 March 2003 - 09:40 PM

have you driven either? It's about how well it handles in corners, not how much money you throw down.
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Posted 20 March 2003 - 11:37 PM

HAHA another BMW owner reading to many magazines and not putting it on the street drive both cars and then say something!!!!!!

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Posted 21 March 2003 - 12:23 AM

yeah, I don't like this "class" idea. I mean, you're telling me all those jaguars can out-corner my S? The m3 is a FINE automobile, but if all you're reading is magazines, you should know the s2000 and nsx are neck and neck in g-forces. Funny, car and driver quotes both cars at .90 G on the skidpad, .89 for the M3. Hmmmmm. AND! the s2000 has a better weight to power ratio than the NSX and a lot better than the M3....... So all you've really done is spend more money. It doesn't really matter, whatever makes an owner happy. There is more about the S or the NSX, or the M than numbers, each one is a unique character.

I sold my BMW, and while I no longer have "auto-up" windows, I also don't have as much chassis flex, or bump-steer..... Don't get me wrong, I'd have an M3, as a second car, though.....

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Posted 21 March 2003 - 12:37 AM

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Originally posted by ej6
A lot of people think a s2000 handles better than an e46 m3.

Its funny because in best motoring...they put the m3 up against the nsx.

The s2000 is not in the same class as the e46 m3....the nsx is.

I dont understand why some think the s2000 handles better.


All I see is blah blah blah...Shut up and go drive one and figure it out for yourself. :rolleyes:

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Posted 21 March 2003 - 12:42 AM

Have you driven both?

I didn't think the M3 handled as well. Mind you, it just felt heavier, so that might be why.

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Posted 21 March 2003 - 01:40 AM

Well, have never drivin an E46, but have drivin E36 M3's many of occasions, and a few s2000's. I prefer the S2000 over the E36 M3 any day. And if you read up on some bmw forums, some believe the E36 handles better then the E46, some even thing the E30 M3 is the best handling of all the M3's.
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Posted 21 March 2003 - 01:41 AM

Also, I don't think G forces have everythign to do with how well a car handles, infact, it is a small portion imo.

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Posted 21 March 2003 - 01:46 AM

Yup. The McLaren can only pull 0.87g on the skidpad - that doesn't mean a Jeep Grand Cherokee can "out-turn" it though. :p

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Posted 21 March 2003 - 01:56 AM

Call me crazy, but imo the Z06 is over rated in the handling fields. it pulls over a G on the skid pad so everyone goes "Oh wow! It handles SOOOOO GOOD!" Well I am not saying it doesnt handle well at all, I just think it's over rated. Maybe I'm wrong, but thats my .02

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Posted 21 March 2003 - 02:59 AM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by wicky
[B]yeah, I don't like this "class" idea.

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Posted 21 March 2003 - 10:02 AM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by wicky
[B]yeah, I don't like this "class" idea.
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Posted 21 March 2003 - 10:08 AM

when all is said and done..........who cares....they are not cross shoppable and have different applications. I really dislike magazine arguments. both are wonderfull cars and one should not get wrapped up in "who can out handle who". YOU (the driver) make all the difference anyway. remember.....don't sweat the petty stuff and don't pet sweaty things. :thumbup:
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Posted 21 March 2003 - 01:15 PM

I think the M3 was put up against the NSX because of similar power, not necessarily handling. I'm pretty sure that an NSX would handily beat an M3 on most tracks, due to its better power to weight ratio, lower weight, equal tire sizes (more or less), and more focused purpose as a sports car. That said, they're all great cars and I'd gladly own one and all.
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Posted 21 March 2003 - 01:46 PM

Hey hey, I'm just regurgitating what I've read isn't that what this thread is about?

kster - for your information I've owned both as well, and I am disipointed in how heavy the M is and how much it creaks and groans going into my driveway. I don't get that at all in my S. What we need is some torsenial stiffness data. An open top does not equate to a flexable chassis. Look at the 2nd gen rx7, and the z4 as examples. And the bump steer thing really pisses me off. I personally encountered much more bumpsteer in the BMW at lower speed, and at lower cornering forces that in the S. Maybe the people who complain need some alignment work, or maybe I'm blessed (doubt that). Speaking from experience here. I'm not saying the M3 "sucks", quite the opposite, I love it. But these are points I've encountered myself, and consequently, I prefer the s2000 because of it.

Yes I was incorrect on the power/weight ratio, sorry, I got excited there. My main point was the idea of "classing" cars, looks like a couple of you missed that one.....

JonBoy - that's a good point, and probably the magazines intention, I just think it's silly to post that as a "classification". All that will do is create a pissing match like the one we got here, and miss entirely the idea of what a bunch of wonderful cars they are.....

"I would Imaging the M3 is easier to drive at the limit but probably isn't as much fun and tossable." - This is exactly my opinion, about the extra weight at the limit, as it is slightly slower to recover. Although it's also not as quick to step out like the S...... :rolleyes: I guess you can't have it all.... ;)

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Posted 15 January 2008 - 09:47 PM

I've driven all 3, i own a 00' s2k my uncle owns a 00's NSX and my other uncle drives a 04' E46 M3. They all perform pretty well considering we are all close to stock. but i would give it to the NSX. after driving all 3 cars i really like the way nsx performs. The M3 is no doubt a really fast well balance car for luxury and sport driving.

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Posted 15 January 2008 - 10:17 PM

Wow, what ignorance. I really can't believe you would come to an s2000 forum and post something like this without driving both cars...mabey not even one of them. Since you're so keen on the whole "internet racing" thing do me a favor, send Keiichi Tsuchiya (host of best motoring if you didn't know) an e-mail and ask him which car he thinks handles better. If you somehow do get a reply, don't bother coming back to post it. I'll already know the answer.

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Posted 15 January 2008 - 10:48 PM

Hes just one of those drifting along, post 1 negative post per forum and never reply back again kind of guys. Just let this thread die, i think its just a waste of time to actually respond to his thread.
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Posted 16 January 2008 - 03:41 AM

i owned a 2004 M3 and 2007 S2000. M3 is too heavy, its hard to make a sharp turn as S2000.

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Posted 16 January 2008 - 04:41 AM

"A lot", not "Alot". There is no such thing as "alittle". Also, please learn the differences between "there", "their", and "they're". "Your" and "you're" are not interchangable. [The same goes for "lose" and "loose". <a href='http://www.wsu.edu/~brians/errors/brake.html' target='_blank'>On a car forum, it would also be good to know the difference between &qu

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Posted 16 January 2008 - 09:53 AM

I've owned both and I can say that if you have an AVERAGE driver drive both, they will probably do better in the E46. It sticks to the pavement and gives the driver a lot more confidence. The E46 also kills the S2000 in acceleration out of the corners and in the straights.

The E46 really does a good job correcting driver mistakes so it's almost fool proof.

The S2000 can go in harder than the E46, but if not driven properly, can end up in the gutter.

So I'd say, the E46 handles better, but the S2000 is more tossable.

And more tossable does not equal better handling.
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Posted 16 January 2008 - 10:24 AM

As some have alluded concluding that competitor A handles better than competitor B by one metric can be misleading. There are many factors that influence vehicle dynamics. The amount of G's pulled on a skidpad is more of a measure of the tire's characterics than anything else. Overall handling can be subjective, since everyone has different driving styles your going to hear different opinions. I've never driven the E46 M3, but I have driven the E36 M3 and the handling was great in my opinion. Very stable for high speeds unlike the S2K, but not as nible at low speeds because of the difference in the wheelbase.


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Posted 16 January 2008 - 10:31 AM

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I've owned both and I can say that if you have an AVERAGE driver drive both, they will probably do better in the E46. It sticks to the pavement and gives the driver a lot more confidence. The E46 also kills the S2000 in acceleration out of the corners and in the straights.

The E46 really does a good job correcting driver mistakes so it's almost fool proof.

The S2000 can go in harder than the E46, but if not driven properly, can end up in the gutter.

So I'd say, the E46 handles better, but the S2000 is more tossable.

And more tossable does not equal better handling.

"inspiring more confidence for the avg driver" also does not equate to better handling
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Posted 16 January 2008 - 11:01 AM

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"inspiring more confidence for the avg driver" also does not equate to better handling

The E46 does handle better.

My definition of handling is how stable a car is when hits a corner. Not how fast it hits the corner.

Say I am traveling from point A to point B, which has only one 45 degree curve between the points and I am comparing two cars. I take car #1 and hit the 45 degree turn and the car stays on all four tires and doesn't sway then take car #2 and hit the same turn and the car comes up on two tires and almost loses it's back end. Both cars make it from point A to point B at the same time. That doesn't equate to both cars handling equally.

Car # 1 handled better in the curve than Car #2, although both cars went through the curve at the same speed.

This is why I say that the E46 handles better. It is more stable in the turns.

I know this for a fact because I have driven on the same roads with both cars and I have to put in a great deal more effort to keep the S2000 from going astray than the E46... but that's what makes driving the S2000 so much fun. So it's a trade off. :D

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Posted 16 January 2008 - 11:14 AM

Here... this might help. This is me and my friend on sunday on some twisty roads. He has brand new tires and I have worn tires (29000 miles). So imagine if I had new tires as well.

On the Twisties... In the beginning he holds for a little but once my worn out tires warmed up... I was out as you'll see in this video. Sorry for the shaky camera but my friend in his M3 doesn't have a camera mount.
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