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#51 User is offline   SocratesDTC 

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Posted 10 November 2005 - 08:57 AM

oxi re sy kala einai! (paidia SORRY pou vgenw edelws off topic.)

An prostheseis synolika ti exei epanw h timh einai apistefth..

skeftomoun metaxeirismeno 20000-25000 apo germania, kai alla 17.000 gia ftiaksimo... afto to perneis 26 sxedon kai exei ta pada.. + oti menoun lefta gia na diorthosw oti exei "kakopoih8ei" apo ta 2 xronia agonwn. mexri kai kivotio-moter allazw opos kai bushings klp klp!!

hdh exw thlefonish se mia filh mou pou doulevei sto teloneio.. tha tin parw se 1 ora peripou...
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Posted 10 November 2005 - 11:55 AM

O filos eristikos kalws i kakws thelei to S gia eytheies. Den ton endiaferoun oi pistes! Akoma den borw na katalavw pia einai i kalytreri lysi gia eytheia. Exw dei kati mavra kai asimi toubana S stin Keratea na exoun rixei ena karo lefta sto amaxi kai na pinoun tsai apo arketa amaxia stin eftheia. De lew stin pista borei na skotwnoyn alla to palikari to thelei gia tin eftheia!! Twra oso afora tin ypertrofodotisi kapoioi edw mesa de gnwrizoun kai polla gia to thema. Eixa to grigorotero mx5 stin ellada prin 2 xronia kai to amaxi pigaine aprovlimatisto mexri pou to poulisa. Eixa ftiaxei o,ti borei na ftiaxtei kai den eixa provlima na doulevei mexri kai 1.8 bar ta vradia! To prwi douleve mono 1.5 bar!! Kai oute perimena opws leei enas filos ena tetarto gia na krywsei i turbina, mias kai i texnologia tis turbinas proxwraei brosta. To 1990 isws sta uno kai sta 5gt na xreiazotan na perimeneis. Kai aporw pws doulevoun ta amaxia sto Amerika ta S ta turbata. Kai lew egw mia lysi. To paidi thelei eytheia!! Giati min parei ta pistonakia kai tis bielitses tou, ti flatzoula tou, ola ta parelkomena kai sto telos enan AEM egefalo, na rixei ton kofti stis 7800 peripou kai na xyrizei sto dromo o,ti kykloforei??
@energetic : Edwsa to amaxi 26500 kai to hardtop logw viasynis 1300.

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Posted 11 November 2005 - 12:28 AM

To S2000 exei FRM xitonia (Fiber Reinforced Material) kai ta perissotera pistonia den mporoun na synergastoun me afto to yliko. Ta perissotera trivode anekselenkta mexri pou spane. Opote ean thelei ena turbo kit (pistoni-bielas) tha anagastei na parei to 2.200cc stroker kit ths TODA (gia turbo applications). VEVAIA yparxoun ki alles etairies pou ftiaxnoun custom pistonia, alla oi perissoteres zhtoun adikatastash twn sleeves me shderenia! Fysika ean mia eteria poulaei pistonia kai bieles gia tous mama kylindrous, kalo einai na ta agorasei 700+700peripou, kai mazi me mia flatza 300 kai ta cam gears 700 (min ta ksexname. flatza kai granazia pane paketo) na turbisei to S.

Good Luck se oti apofasiseis file.

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Posted 11 November 2005 - 01:45 AM

File Socrates se vlepw poly enimerwmeno! Afto pragmatika me ta xitwnia den to gnwriza. Kalo na mathainoume kai kati parapanw. Alla sigoura tha yparxei mia lysi gia afto, estw kai me kapoio parapanw kostos apo oti se ena allo amaxi. Swsta? Opws les esy yparxei to 2.2 stroker kit tis Toda. Sta "mama" 2.2 kanei afto to kit? I yparxei kati allo?

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Posted 11 November 2005 - 04:04 AM

Πάντως αν είναι να χρησιμοποιηθεί μόνο για πίστα έχω την εντύπωση ότι δεν πληρώνει το 40% του τέλους ταξινόμησης ούτε πινακίδες κλπ.
Το θέμα είναι βέβαια τί άλλους δασμούς πληρώνει αντί αυτών, και το ότι εδώ δεν έχουμε πίστες...

Αν δεν δασμολογείται και με 15Κ το φέρνεις εδώ τί να πω? Πάρτυ!

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Posted 11 November 2005 - 06:01 AM

To thema einai oti sigoura tha plhroneis allous dasmous gia na to fereis ws agonistiko. To kako einai oti tha einai krima na mhn mporeis na to pas oute mia volta ston dromo. Tha to psaksw to thema padws, genika apo amerikh me tin ptosh tou dolariou, isos na symferei akoma kai gia mama aftokinhto.
Padws mexri stigmis to pio ftino mallon einai na pas na to fereis monos sou apeksw (germania klp) na peis tou madra na sou kanei ligo ftinotero timologio, kai na to ekteloniseis kanonika kai pinakides klp. Opote oti symferon kai na exeis apo to dolario, ta 1200-1500 gia ta metaforika to ekmidenizoun...


Den exw skeftei vevea to endexomeno na to valw se mia ksilini sxedia kai na to ferw. 0 metaforika + 20% off apo to dolario :thumbup:

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Posted 11 November 2005 - 07:06 AM

Pou kollaei afto stin erwtisi tou eristikou gia to tourbisma????

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Posted 11 November 2005 - 08:24 AM

Kollaei stin erotisi tou nickolas :thumbup:

Anyway, den vlepw merikous prothymous na asxolithoun me to thema. kai den milaw gia ton eristiko, alla genika. Alla kai esy file eristike perimeneis na sou dosoume tin lista me ta specs etoimh? kai an leme mlkies? :D egw mporei na sou pw oti i kalyterh biela einai h SocratesDTC Co.Ltd kai exei 5.000euro. Prepei na to psakseis to thema kai monos sou. Mia grhgorh lysh gia na prolaveis na peraseis mexri avrio ta MX5 klp den yparxei :thumbup:

Filika pada, alla min doseis 15.000euro xoris na rikseis toulaxiston ena mhna psaksimo stothema... kane ena search "turbo" h "SC'd" h "supercharger" na pareis kamia idea...

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Posted 11 November 2005 - 11:46 AM

Soc mallon den katalabes ti ennooysa sto prohgoymeno post se sxesh me ton kairo. ki exhgoymai ek neoy. Den diafvnv oti enas full programming egefalos exei safws poly perissoteres dynatothtes apo enan fixed ston opoio den mporeis malista na epembeis, alla ayto exei na kanei me tis dynatothtes rythmishs tvn parametrvn toy idioy toy egefaloy se syndyasmo me opoia beltiwsh exei ginei sto aytokinhto (Perifereiakh h beltiwsh moter) ki oxi giati o sygkekrimenos egefalos leitoyrgei kalytera se sxesh m' enan mama se diaforetikes kairikes synthikes. Ki ayto apla giati den yparxei h dynatothta na allazeis tis parametroys toy egefaloy analoga me tis synthikes mesa apo to aytokinhto opws metabaleis gia paradeigma thn piesh enos turbo. Ayto isws na ginei kapoia xronia argotera me etoima prorythmismena subprograms perasmena sthn mnhmh toy egefaloy alla twra dystyxvs den yparxei akoma tetoia dynatothta.
Twra epeidh blepw oti merikoi epimenoyn sthn lysh toy supercharger h toy turbo exw na pw gia mia akomh fora oti: Nai mia tetoia lysh prosferei aploxera aloga (exakoloythw na amfibalw gia thn axiopistia ths) alla katargei thn olh filosofia kataskeyhs toy aytokinhtoy kai apla to mpastardeyei ews ekei poy den pairnei allo. kai pragmatika den katalabainw an kapoios exei san monadiko skopo na sthnetai stis eytheies giati na mhn parei ena EVO poy me me ta idia xrhmata poy tha erixne kaneis s' ena S gia na to turbisei tha exei ena tetrakinhto teras poy apla tha gazvnei opoion stathei dipla toy. To S2000 s' ayth thn periptwsh einai apla h lathos epilogh. Ayth h istoria toy na turbizetai oti kineitai proilthe apo thn Amerikh poy ontws einai poly mprosta sto thema tou tuning oson afora thn ypertrofodotisi alla as mhn ta isopedwnoyme ki ola. Sthn Iapvnia kanena s2000 apo osa trexoyn ki epishmvs stis pistes den einai turbismeno. Ola einai peripoy apo 250 ews 325 aloga full atmosfaira. Kai mporei na ginomai koyrastikos alla to xanalew. To S ftiaxthike gia na kanei xronoys sthn pista. Kai einai sigoyro oti ena kala beltivmeno atmosfairiko S tha kanei poly kalyteroys xronoys sthn pista ap' oti ena ypertrofodotoymeno. Kai prosvpika eimai periergos na dw kai me to diko moy S (afoy strwthei) sthn eytheia poies tha einai oi diafores apo ena S me compressor. Tha exei endiaferon nomizw.
Oso gia tis dynates lyseis poy exei kaneis poy thelei na asxolithei pera apo prwto stadio me thn beltiwsh toy moter ontws den yparxoyn kai polles lyseis opoy mporeis na aftenerghseis alla fntasteite ti klama tha epefte an ontws yphrxe gia ton kathena apo emas ayth h dynatothta. Eimai sigoyros oti stis perissoteres tvn periptvsevn ta pragmata meta thn "beltivsh" tha htan poly xeirotera apo prin. kai mhn pate makria. Mia exatmish allazeis (1o bhma toy 1oy stadioy beltiwshs se syndyasmo me eisagvgh kai xtapodi) ki anti na pareis xaneis. Kai tetoia paradeigmata yparxoyn polla. Proswpika den me xalaei loipon katholoy poy oi dynates epiloges einai liges alla toylaxiston xerw oti einai lyseis oloklhrvmenes kai dokimasmenes apo anthrwpoys poy exoyn asxolithei sobara me to thema. Ki epeidh hdh anaferthikan 2 apo aytes (o "Socrates" anefere thn TODA - Opws allwste TODA einai kai to diko moy moter) ki o "Energetic" thn "J'S" tha anaferw ki egw allh mia. "SPOON". Mporeis na pareis etoimo moter to opoio strofarei me full programming egefalo 11.000 rpm ki an epembeis ston kofth mporeis na ftaseis mexri 14.000!!!!!! Eipate tipota gia turbo? Giati an kaneis mporei na fantastei ton hxo poy kanei ena tetoio moter s' aytes tis strofes (kai thn adrenalinh poy tha ton gemizei) kai ton sygkrinei m' ekeinon poy mporei n' akoysei kathe mera sthn Boyliagmenhs apo thn skastra enos opoioydhpote turbo tote paw paso..... As epilexei to turbo.... Gi' ayto kai sthn arxh milhsa gia filosofia kataskeyhs. kai o nown noeito.

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Posted 11 November 2005 - 12:15 PM

Meta apo diabasma olou tou topic nomizw oti h apanthsh tou filou D_S2000 me kalypse A-P-O-L-Y-T-A alla kai me porwse to idio poly!!! Just imagine... how 14.000 rpm sounds like inside tunnels!!! :thumbup:
Leaving the High RPM LifeStyle!
Από Μικρό και από Τρελό μαθαίνεις να Driftάρεις!!!
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Posted 11 November 2005 - 02:43 PM

Loipon oloi kai egw se genikes grammes symfwnw me ton filo DS2k, alla mhn eimaste kai thymata tou internet.. Prepei na sigoureftoume poly prin paroume sta sovara kati pou doume sto net. akoma kai afto to site pou milame tora, pou einai thysavros plhroforiwn, exei pinelies adi-JDM kai prepei na diakrinoume to adikimeniko apo to ypokaimeniko... Den thelw na pw oti oi Iapones lene psemata gia ta moter tous, alla to na peis oti tha parw to Spoon Overhaul Engine F20C kai tha allaksw ton kofti stis 14.000rpm einai apo radio arvila, mexri radiofono Xitler :thumbup: Fysika den thelw na pw kati gia sena Ds2k, apla exw megalh aporia pou diavases tetia anakrivia..

Prepei na mporoume na diaxorizoume (se oti afora to moter) pou einai to orio:

Dromou -> Sport -> Sport/Trackday -> COMPETITION....

Oi perissoteroi vevea kserete to parakatw, apla na to anaferw gia osous den to gnorizoun. Otan leme oti kanoume Blueprinting se ena moter, shmenei oti otan kanoume assembly (synarmologisi) sto moter, EPANAFEROUME TIS ERGOSTASIAKES APOSTASEIS (clearences) STA METALA, KAI SE OTI EXEI KAINO ME KATI ALLO. (Metala, Elathria Valvidwn, Diametros odigou valvidas, diametros kilindrou, apostash kylindrou pistoniou, DIAKENO ekkedroforou se sxesi me to kapaki tou, kai genika opoy yparxei diakeno... To moter diladi ginete ousiastika kainourio...

Tora enas allos dromos, einai na diamorfosoume aftes tis apostaseis opos emeis theloume. Kserodas pada oti anevokatevazoume tin analogia apodosi/aksiopistia... Enas pou thelei ena agonistiko moter, kai thelei na treksei se ena agona, kai meta tha to ksana-anoiksei, epilegei pole XALARA clearences, gia ligoteres trives, sydomotero strosimo, kai genikotera kalyteri apodosi otan to moter zestathei kai ta eswterika megalosoun.

Tora sxetika me to internet pou elega prin, h spoon kai h Jsracing, LENE oti kanoun ena OVERHAUL, kai ama deite lene oti elafronoun ta eswterika kinoumena merh kata "x" grammaria.. nai men afto einai kalo alla ME KAMMIA PANAGIA den tha strofarei 14.000 xoris na spasei..

1) Den yparxoun elathria valvidwn pou na mporoun na strofaroun toso
2) Den GINETE to pistoni na piasei toso megalh taxythta. Edw sto 2.2L F22C katevasan ton kofti, epeidi logo megalyterou STROKE to emvolo epiane megalyterh taxythta apoti ston F20C. Fadastite tora ena moter pou strofarei 14.000...
3) Poios ekkedroforos tha vgazei aloga stis 14.000rpm? Ths spoon pou einai o mama reprofiled?? Ths toda, akoma kai oi agrioi Vtec Killer, logika mexri 11.000 exoun teleiwsei.
4) Se extreme periptoseis, mporei ena F22C (pou synepagete megalyterh taxythta logo diadromhs) na to pane 9.500strofes.. kai milame gia moter agona pou thelei lysimo kathe "x" xiliometra. Ep'oudeni ena moter dromou den mporei na agiksei afta ta noumera.


opote pws einai dynaton na dosoume 6.000euro XORIS NA KSEROUME KAN TI EXEI TO MOTER MESA???????? Epeidi kai egw eimai poromenos me tin atmosferiki veltiosh, epsaxna apo edw kai apo ekei na dw ti exei mesa.. to mono pou vrika einai oti ths JsRacing exei "doulemenh" kefalh, diaforetika pistonia, adlies klp klp... TIPOTA PARAPANW DEN VRIKA. Ypothetw oti apo ti stigmi pou to moter einai N1, tha ypakouei stous kanonismous N1, opou yparxei megisto epitrepomenh sybiesh, diadromi, kivismos kai ta pada...

Den diafono oti to moter afto tha exei ligoterh adraneia, perisoteri isxy klp, alla min oneirevosaste tsaba 14.000rpm... Kai o filos energetic eipe oti apofasise JsRacing.. ton logo omos? Einai kalytero apo ths Spoon? Exw diavasei tin lista ta leei ola misa.. eidika tis spoon den leei tipota, pera tou oti to moter "ksanadenete" apo enan eidiko... Giati loipon na min pas to moter ston alaniz, pou exei lysei-desei apeira F20C, kai tha sou pei akrivos ti tha sou kanei sto kapaki kai ti tha kerdiseis?? Afou ta legame 2 selides prin afta re pedia. Kai egw tha protimousa na to paw se enan iapona, alla apo ti stigmi pou den mporoume na vroume akrh mesw internet, pws tha stiloume to moter mas Japan mazi me 6.000euro?? An tora exete piasei "chat" me tous iapones pragmatika PAO PASW, kai lysaw na mathw ti sas exoun pei!! :D

Kai as melethsoume ligo ti exoun kanei ta agonistika S2000 sthn iaponia prospathodas na "klepsoume" tis idees tous (pou opos swsta eipe o D2000 ta perissotera einai proto stadio)

Amuse:

-Amuse Xtapodi adigrafi tis mugen se megalyterh diametro, kai poly pio elafry! (to mono 4.4kila)
-Amuse R1000 moni 70ara eksatmisi titaniu panalafri (xoris kataliti)
-Reprogrammed OEM ECU (hi-tech legetai)
-Mugen CAI
-ena kodo koronopinio (4.4 h 4.7analogos se sxesi me to 4.1mama)

thats all apo to moter! lene oti exei peripou 265 aloga, kai afto einai ena full agonistiko proto stadio (no cat)


JsRacing:

-exei valei to N1 moter ths pou den kseroume ti exei akrivos, panw katw exei pistonia, ligh douleia stin kefali, klp
-epeidi eide oti aftos telika ine monodromos evale ena 2.2L stroker kit
-eisagwgh-xtapodi eksatmisi
-koronopinio klp
opote einai panw katw enas N1 sta 2.2 proto stadio. apodosi lene 280 aloga.

Cwest:

h Cwest exei kai afth ena moter proto stadio, me xtapodi, eksatmisi, eisagwgh agnostou proelefsis, kai kodo koronopinio.. apodosi den mas lene, logika 260-270?!?

ASM:

pou ine pleon to pio grhgoro S stin Japan, exoun epileksei na pane to moter sta 2.4litra! (apistefta eleino rode-stroke ratio) kai to gegonos oti strofarei koda stis 9 shmenei oti to lynoun kai to denoun meta apo kathe agona.
-epeleksan toda ekkedroforous, SPEC B omos pou einai kalyteroi gia ropi!!! afou ine pasifanes oti to moter einai ftiagmeno gia ropi, afou poso psila na pas me 2.4L???
-tetrapetaloudo tis TODA pou gia emas den einai diathesimo...
-xtapodi eksatmisi epilogis tis...

IPPODINAMI?? koda 300 aloga... alla ypothetw oti tha exei poly ropi, tin opoia den tin thymamai.. kai 300aloga einai "kala" gia tetio moter.

ee einai kai ena soro alles eteries pou exoun kai aftes eisagwgh-programma-eksatmisi, afou einai to pio apodotiko stadio gia s2000. Den einai oti den exoun lefta oi eteries na to kanoun 300aloga, apla den yparxei nohma na lyneis kathe mera to moter otan mporeis na eisai 260 kai full aksiopistos!!!! Sthn kalyterh merikes petane kai ena stroker kit, kai kerdizoun alla liga aloga kai arketh roph, alla mexri ekei...

Sorry gia to makry post, kai fysika den eimai o padognosths,kai egw mia akrh thelw na vrw, kai ISOS h ergasia pou kanei sto kapaki mia iaponiki eteria, na einai kalyterh apo afth tou alaniz, alla tha perimena na grafoun 5-6 pragmata parapanw sto site tous!!!

Kai gia na adlisoume kai merikes idees apo tin ameriki, ta agwnistika moter pou ftiaxnei o alaniz, exoun KAI MEGALYTERO BORE, KAI MEGALYTERO STROKE. Apo 87mm se 89mm bore, kai stroke analogos ti thes, synolika ftanoume ta 2.3litra sxedon(analoga).. me agwnistiki kefalh, kai pistonia sibiesis 14:1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Opote pithanon na xtypaei peirakia kai me 100ara venzini :thumbup:

eipame, sta 2.000litra, me kofti stis 11, me vtec killer ekkedroforous, me tetrapetaloudo, agonistika clearences, kai me oti allo thelete, eimaste koda sta 300, se ropi exoume parei arketa, alla min ksexnate to rebuild kathe "x" xiliometra, kai to gegonos oti den tha mporeite na pate apo edw mexri tin thesaloniki terma gazi giati tha anevazei thermokrasia...

FYSIKA eimai kata tou tourbismatos.. kai egw trellamenos me atmosfera, kai ama eixa tin oikonomikh anesh tha elina to moter kathe mhna.. alla posoi mporoun na to kanoun afto ?? mporei na pate se kana xorio kai na min exei kali venzini, tha theloume ena portpagaz gemato fuel booster :D

Fysika afta pou lew einai h apopsi mou,kai kathe voitheia/apopsi einai efprosdekti mpas kai vgaloume kana kalytero syberasma en telei.

kai eipe kapoios kati poly sosto (varieme na paw pisw na dw pios itan :thumbdn: ) akoma kai ta 280-300 aloga den einai liga.. min trelathoume kiolas..................... apla einai thema poios thelei na bei se afti tin diadikasia.. egw epeidi oute oikogenia exw, oute pedia-skylia gatia, oute douleia exw, opote to aftokinhto einai perissotero HOBBY para meso metaforas, EFXARISTWS tha ebena stin diadikasia afti, alla den mou perisevoun 10.000++++++++++ euro.. proexoun anartiseis, roll cage, kai alla pragmata.... (afou paroume to S pada :PPPPPPPPPPPPPP)


kante mou minisi an thelete gia to vareto post. logika tha tin kerdisete!! ahaahhahahahahhaha

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Posted 12 November 2005 - 09:59 PM

kathomai kai diabazo stis 5 to proi oti exete grapsei kai sta perissotera sumfono,allaan eixa ta euro den tha hthela tipota perisotero kai tipota ligotero apo to s tou power car 2005...geia rikste mia matia sto power techniques tou mhna..akouo entuposeis..

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Posted 13 November 2005 - 12:24 AM

Σοκ, 280-300 ιππακια ειναι αρκετα σε σχεση με τα 1600 που κυκλοφορουν στην Ελλαδα αλλα πολλες εταιρειες εχουν ενα καρο φθηνα αυτοκινητα στους 300 ιππους απο στοκ μοτορι.

Π.χ. σου αναφερω η Νισσαν εχει 300 ιπππους στο Ζ και στα G35 που μπορεις να τα παρεις πολυ φθηνα. Επισης νεο Λεξους IS350, 305 ιππους μαμα. Επισης Κορβετ και Z06 400 και 500 ιππους αντιστοιχα και τιμες λιγο πιο πανω απο στοκ S και σιγουρα φθηνοτερα απο ολα αυτα τα εξοδα που περιγραφεις.

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Posted 13 November 2005 - 11:25 AM

Kat' arxas gia ton kainoyrio filo ton maki exw na pw oti einai toy Npart (oi palioteroi tou site aytoy ton xeroyn) o opoios einai kai melos tou club. Etsi an ertheis Maki se kapoia apo tis epomenes synanthseis mporeis na gnvriseis kai ton idio alla na deis kai t' aytokinhto apo konta.
Twra oson afora ton Soc diabazontas to teleytaio post epibebaiwsa to poso enhmervmenos kai psagmenos einai kai pragmatika xairomai poy enas anthrwpos exei psaxtei toso poly me thn beltiwsh enos toso eidikoy aytokinhtoy poy den exei akoma kan sta xeria toy!! Elpizv loipon Soc na to pareis to syntomotero dynato kai na kaneis panw sto aytokinhto ayta sta opoia (meta apo toso psaximo) tha exeis katalhxei.
Apo thn meria moy ofeilw na dwsw kapoies dieykriniseis oson afora to noymero twn 14.000rpm poy anefera sto prohgoymeno post.
Loipon ayto to noymero den einai oyte radio arbyla oyte to eida se kapoio site. Eipwthike se mia syzhthsh se mia diethni ekthesh aytokinhtoy (poy aforoyse to tuning) apo mhxaniko ths idias ths SPOON -poy apoteloyse melos ths omadas poy exelissei to sygekrimeno moter sta ergasthria ths SPOON sthn iapwnia- pros ellhna mhxaniko poy anhkei sto team gnvsths etairias beltiwsewn sthn Athina kai ton opoio tyxainei na xerw. Edw loipon ofeilw na dwsw kapoies dieykriniseis. O Iapwnas den isxyristike pote oti to sygkekrimeno moter mporei na doylepsei full safe kanontas xiliades xil. sthn pista. Htan apla mia prospatheia tvn ekei mhxanikvn na ftiaxoyn ena moter to opoio tha doyleye sto ultimate point ths antoxhs toy xvris na toys endiaferei an meta apo ton agwna tha thelei total rebuilt h tha spasei. Katalabainete loipon oti den milame gia ena moter dromoy oyte isws kan gia ena moter competition. Ki edw zhtw sygnvmh an egine kati tetoio pisteyto sto prohgoymeno moy post otan to anefera apla xvris peraiterw plhrofories. Ithela apla na tonisv thn diafora ths filosofias kataskeyhs metaxy enos moter turbo gia S2000 ki enos atmosfairikoy kai na dikaiologhsw thn apopsh toy giati proswpika den tha bandaliza me tipota ayto to apisteyto atmosfairiko moter (poso mallon ena beltiwmeno). Pantws ta allo moter ths SPOON poy anefera kai poy srofarei 11.000rpm doyleyei kanonika afoy einai ayto pou kinei to "Polyphony" to agvnistiko aytokinhto dhl ths "SPOON" poy trexei stis pistes kai to opoio mporei an thelei kapoios mporei na to promhtheytei me to antistoixo timhma fysika.
Twra mhn me rvthsete to ti exei mesa giati ayto einai eptasfragisto mystiko. Kai den tha mporoyse na synebaine ki alliws afoy to na dwsei kapoios plhrofories gia ena tetoioy eidoys moter (gia to opoio exoyn dapanithei apeires wres doyleias kai para polla xrhmata) tha htan san na moiraze ton kopo toy ta xrhmata toy kai tis polytimes gnvseis toy me toys antagvnistes toy etsi teleiws apsyxologhta ki abasanista kati katholoy logiko. Oxi oti aytoi poy theloyn na mathoyn den exoyn telika ton tropo na to kanoyn an theloyn alla allo na to kynhghseis esy xodeyontas xrono kai xrhma ki allo na soy serbirei kapoios etoimh gnwsh.
Etsi loipon nomizw oti apantithike kai to giati gi' ayta ta moter poy anefere ki o Soc den yparxoyn oi plhrofories kai oi texnikes leptomereies poy tha ithele na brei kaneis sto net gia na enhmerwthei.
Twra to an ayta ta etoima moter poy mporei na parei kaneis einai gia 20, 30 h 50 xil xiliometra kaneis (ektos ap' toys Iapwnes oi opoioi einai tafos plhroforivn genika) den to xerei. To mono poy soy lene ta Japanezakia einai "For race use only". Apo ekei kai pera h apofash einai dikh soy. Etsi o Soc exei kapoio dikio otan niwthei anasfaleia pernontas ena moter poy den xerei ti exei mesa (ki ante na pathei kai kati...poy to ftiaxneis? To xanastelneis sthn Iapwnia?) ki aytos einai ki o logos poy proswpika epelexa na ftiaxw to diko moy moter agwrazontas pragmata memonwmena (ths TODA - opws swsta anaferthike einai h monh poy prosferei step by step moterikes lyseis gia to S2000) etsi gia na xerw ti exw kanei kai na eimai se thesh na epembw an kati den paei kala. Alla eite me ton enan eite me ton allo tropo ta xrhmata poy prepei na diatethoyn gia oysiastikh beltiwsh einai polla. Para polla! To an tha epilexei kapoios na parei ena etoimo moter h na ftiaxei to yparxon allazontas kat' epilogh to synolo h kapoia apo ta mhxanika toy merh einai thema ths tsephs toy kai mono. Yparxei omws kai h lysh toy n'antallaxeis "mama" moter m'ena etoimo. Ayth h lysh se sxesh me ekeinh toy na ftiaxeis to yparxon symferei oikomomika apla soy sterei ena back up moter syn to oti exeis ayth thn abebaiothta gia thn opoia egine logws prohgoymenws poy den xereis me poio tropo einai beltivmeno kai se poia shmeia to neo moter.
Oson afora to oti mporeis na pareis me poly ligotera xrhmata (se sxesh m'ena beltivmeno S2000) ena allo aytokinhto (anaferthike to 350Z) me ta idia aloga (300hp) exw na pw oti h onomastikh taytish ths ippodynamhs metaxy enos S2000 me 300HP ki enos limited edition 350Z (320HP) h opoio allo 'mama" thelete me paromoia ippodynamh den kathista ta 2 aytokinhta isaxia. Einai apla h mera me thn nyxta. Einai teleiws lathos na sygkrineis 2 aytokinhta me bash thn onomastikh toys dynamh. Einai tosa alla poy synthetoyn thn synolikh eikona axiologhshs enos aytokinhtoy (frenarisma, baros & katanomh baroys, symperifora ston dromo, anarthsh, apokrish ki aisthish timonioy, perioxh strofvn poy bgazei thn roph kai thn dynamh) ki ena swro alla poy an katsoyme kai t' analysoyme twra, tha bgei moy fainetai ayto to post pio megalo apo toy Soc opote mallon tha brizetai emena meta... (Plaka kanw...)
Ki ena syntomo paradeigma poy exei sxesh me thn isxy kai poy to phra apo thn prosfath sygkritikh dokimh poy ekane to Power Car (teyxos Noembrioy) me diafora aytokinhta gia na anadeixthei to kalytero se kathe mia apo tis treis epimeroys kathgories poy katataxthikan t' aytokinhta. To ashmi TT loipon ebgale 363 peripoy aloga sto dynamometro peripou 110 aloga parapanw apo toy Nikoy me to S2000 poy ebgale 252 ki omws ston gyro pistas to TT htan 4'' sxedon pio argo apo to S. O logos? Den ton xerw alla ton fantazomai. Apla to TT ebgaze thn max dynamh se mia poly mikrh perioxh strofwn poy mesa sthn pista isws na mhn eixe kai thn eykairia pote na dei sto strofometro. Me alla logia: Mh grammikes kampyles ropes kai isxyos...
Ayta ki elpizv na mhn sas koyrasa.
See you..

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Posted 13 November 2005 - 12:46 PM

D_S2000, on Nov 13 2005, 08:25 AM, said:

Oson afora to oti mporeis na pareis me poly ligotera xrhmata (se sxesh m'ena beltivmeno S2000) ena allo aytokinhto (anaferthike to 350Z) me ta idia aloga (300hp) exw na pw oti h onomastikh taytish ths ippodynamhs metaxy enos S2000 me 300HP ki enos limited edition 350Z (320HP) h opoio allo 'mama" thelete me paromoia ippodynamh den kathista ta 2 aytokinhta isaxia. Einai apla h mera me thn nyxta. Einai teleiws lathos na sygkrineis 2 aytokinhta me bash thn onomastikh toys dynamh. Einai tosa alla poy synthetoyn thn synolikh eikona axiologhshs enos aytokinhtoy (frenarisma, baros & katanomh baroys, symperifora ston dromo, anarthsh, apokrish ki aisthish timonioy, perioxh strofvn poy bgazei thn roph kai thn dynamh) ki ena swro alla poy an katsoyme kai t' analysoyme twra, tha bgei moy fainetai ayto to post pio megalo apo toy Soc opote mallon tha brizetai emena meta... (Plaka kanw...)
To ashmi TT loipon ebgale 363 peripoy aloga sto dynamometro peripou 110 aloga parapanw apo toy Nikoy me to S2000 poy ebgale 252 ki omws ston gyro pistas to TT htan 4'' sxedon pio argo apo to S. O logos? Den ton xerw alla ton fantazomai. Apla to TT ebgaze thn max dynamh se mia poly mikrh perioxh strofwn poy mesa sthn pista isws na mhn eixe kai thn eykairia pote na dei sto strofometro. Me alla logia: Mh grammikes kampyles ropes kai isxyos...

Ας πω και εγω την γνωμη μου. Προφανως τα αυτοκινητα που ανεφερα δεν ειναι τοσο αξιολογα οσο ειναι το Ες αλλα απλα τα εγραψα για να δειξω οτι τα τελευταια χρονια το Ες εχει μείνει πισω σε ιπποδυναμεις.

Οσο για την πιστα, η ισχυς δεν παίζει τοσο μεγαλο ρολο, οσο το βαρος και η ισσοροπια του βαρους του αυτοκινητου καθως και αν μπορει να επιδειξει ουδετερη συμπεριφορα (γνωστο οτι τα ΤΤ υποστρεφουν και αρα χανουν χρονο, ουσιαστικα ειναι ενα Γκολφ απο κατω). Επισης τα δυνατα φρενα σε βοηθανε να φρεναρεις αργα αρα κερδιζεις χρονο εκει. Τα λαστιχα επισης ειναι πολυ σημαντικα να ειναι πιστας. Αρα ενα ελαφρο ισσοροπημενο αυτοκινητο (στην κατανομη βαρους) με καλα φρενα θα παει γρηγορα στην πιστα ακομα με μικρο κινητηρα (βλεπε Ελιζ).

D_S2000, σε φρενα, ζαντες, λαστιχα, ελαφρωμα τι ακριβως θα κανεις στο αμαξι;
Αν θες να εισαι γρηγορος εγω πιστευω οι πρωτα πρεπει να ελαφρωσεις το αυτοκινητο και να βαλεις φρενα και κοντο διαφορικο παρα να ανοιξεις τον κινητηρα.

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Posted 13 November 2005 - 01:50 PM

makis, on Nov 12 2005, 06:59 PM, said:

kathomai kai diabazo stis 5 to proi oti exete grapsei kai sta perissotera sumfono,allaan eixa ta euro den tha hthela tipota perisotero kai tipota ligotero apo to s tou power car 2005...geia rikste mia matia sto power techniques tou mhna..akouo entuposeis..

An endiaferesai pantos to paidi me to Power Award S2000 to poulaei to S tou 60.000 :thumbup: :thumbup:
380 whp and we go on......

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Posted 13 November 2005 - 02:08 PM

agisd, on Nov 13 2005, 09:46 AM, said:

Αν θες να εισαι γρηγορος εγω πιστευω οι πρωτα πρεπει να ελαφρωσεις το αυτοκινητο και να βαλεις φρενα και κοντο διαφορικο παρα να ανοιξεις τον κινητηρα.

Αυτή ακριβώς είναι και η καλύτερη ατμοσφαιρική βελτίωση για το S2000.

Πιστεύω αξίζει να δοθεί περισσότερη προσοχή στην απάντηση του "Αlanis" οπου ουσιαστικά σου λέει ότι μια ατμοσφαιρική βελτίωση (εκτός 4πετάλουδου) θα σου δώσει 30-40 άλογα τροχό και...τέρμα!
Δηλαδή 15-20% αύξηση της ισχύος από ένα υπερκυβισμένο κατά 10% κινητήρα.
Αν αφαιρέσουμε τα οφέλη του υπερκυβισμού πολύ χονδρικά καταλήγουμε ότι το όφελος μιας ατμοσφαιρικής βελτίωσης διατηρώντας τα κυβικά είναι κοντά στο 10%.
Αξίζει αυτό το 10% 10Κ?

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Posted 13 November 2005 - 04:25 PM

panagiotispa, on Nov 13 2005, 10:50 AM, said:

An endiaferesai pantos to paidi me to Power Award S2000 to poulaei to S tou 60.000 :thumbup: :D

:thumbup: tsampa prama dhladh..pao tora.. kata kapoio tropo ta aksizei ta lefta tou..

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Posted 13 November 2005 - 04:58 PM

Orea tora pou to ksekatharises kalytera D S2000 symfwnw apolyta. Kai eimai yper kathe "travigmenou" epeixirimatos!! Makari na ta kataferoun kiolas...!! Apla nomiza oti to eipes gia kathimerini xrhsh :thumbup:

Symfwnw epishs oti otan exeis ena toso pusharismeno moter, me metria eksatmisi, kai metriotath eisagwgh, to kalytero pou exeis na kaneis einai proto stadio, afou me ti mia kerdizeis 15-20alogakia, kai meta kalytera na to elafrwseis, na psaxteis me tin anartisi, frena, koronopinio klp! Min ksexnas file poses fores sou anefera to koronopinio, afou pleon mporeis na pareis ena Mazda 4.44 h ena KIA 4.77 me 600-700euro!!

Epese to mati mou kai se ena topic sto "gallery" pou enas filos apo amerikh epeixirei s2000 me tetrapetaloudo ths TWM, sta 2.5L. Leei oti h kefalh, to xtapodi, kai oi ekkedroforoi einai mama! Episis an den kanw lathos tora einai sta 250aloga troxo! Otan ftiaksei kai ta ypoloipa pragmata elpizei na paei panw apo ta 300. MOu fenete travigmeno na paei panw apo 300whp, alla den exw asxolithei poly me to ti ginete ston F20C sta 2.5+ litra. Mexri 2.2 exw psaksei.. meta to Rode-Stroke Ratio ginete xeirotero apo trakter kai einai dyskola ta pragmata me to strofarisma... Good Luck sto pedi padws pou palevei...

Kai egw pou ta leme, 250whp (apo 200) einai poly kala, gia mama xtapodi, kai mama kefalh!

Nickolas swsta ta les, to mono lathos omos pou kaneis einai oti o alaniz eipe 40aloga troxo, ME tetrapetaloudo, agonistikous ekkedroforous, xtapodi, ECU, block klp! (ektos kai an kanw lathos epeidi einai kai ligo arga :thumbup: )

Sxetika me to allo thema.. Epeidi egw endiaferome to kalokairi gia s2000 kai oxi tora, o filos "stocky" apo to luxemburgo eipe oti tha kratisei allo ligo to S, kai meta to poulaei. Milisame mesw PM kai eipe oti kata 99% tha mou to dosei ektos kai an emfanistei kalyterh prosfora. 20.000euro to dinei, me polla pragmata epanw, kai mono 500xiliometra agonistika, kai erasitexnikoi agones, opote den to exei kseskisei (fenetai)... exei kai bolika pragmata epanw. Prosefxome na min to parei kanas allos :D

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Posted 13 November 2005 - 05:24 PM

Σοκ, για πιο λες αυτο με τις Καλιφορνεζικες πινακιδες το λευκο αγωνιστικο που ειχε; Αυτο δεν ειναι εκτελωνισιμο, προσεξε μην την πατησεις. Ασε που σε ενα τοπικ που ειχε παλια ελεγε οτι το ειχε ξεσκισει στους αγωνες και χωρις το ρολ μπαρ θα διαλυοταν. Καλυτερα να παρεις το αλλο που πουλαει και να το φτιαξεις.

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Posted 14 November 2005 - 04:02 AM

Les na einai toso sigano-papadia? Pww me kseneroses tora :thumbup: Den ektelonizete gia pio logo epeidi ine apo amerikh? Anyway thanks gia tin info. Really thanks.

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Posted 14 November 2005 - 06:35 AM

SocratesDTC, on Nov 14 2005, 01:02 AM, said:

Les na einai toso sigano-papadia? Pww me kseneroses tora :thumbup: Den ektelonizete gia pio logo epeidi ine apo amerikh? Anyway thanks gia tin info. Really thanks.

Αν παρεις μεταχειρο απο Γερμανια πληρωνεις 40% τελος ταξινομησης. Αν παρεις απο Αμερική πληρωνεις 69%. Εννοουσα οτι ειναι ακριβο να το εκτελωνησεις. 20000 που ζηταει ειναι πολλα.

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Posted 14 November 2005 - 07:16 AM

Sou apadisa se PM gia na min ksefygoume apo to topic edelws.

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Posted 14 November 2005 - 05:56 PM

aqisd
Symfvnv oti to to na elafryneis t' aytokinhto einai kati poy toy dinei dynamh kai to xypnaei gia ta kala alla tha prepei na exoyme ypopsi mas oti gia na ginei mia oysiastikh beltiwsh ston tomea toy baroys (h pio swsta ths mazas toy aytokinhtoy) tha prepei na katafygoyme se lyseis body - kit kai kata protimhsh full carbon body kits poy einai oti pio elafry tha mporoyse na balei kaneis. Yparxoyn etairies poy exoyn ta panta ( Kapo, portes, ftera mprosta kai pisw, port baggage, profylakthres, diaxytes aera, kathreftes k.p.l- ola kataskeyasmena apo anthrakonhmata h polyestera h syndyasmo kai tvn 2). Ta xrhmata omws poy tha xreiastei na dapanhseis einai para polla alla ki an kaneis elege oti to synoliko timhma den einai kai poly megalytero ap' ayto poy tha diethete gia na beltiwsei to idio to moter tha prepei na laboyme yp' opsh mas oti to aytokinhto basika to xrhsimopoioyme mesa stoys dromoys ths Athinas kai poly ligotero sthn pista. Thelw na pw oti mia lysh enos tetoioy body kit tairiazei s; ena aytokinhto poy xrhsimopoieitai mono se asfaleis synthikes opws aytes poy prosferei mia pista ki oxi s; ena aytokinhto kathimerinhs xrhshs poy ana pasa stigmh kindyneyei na pesei thyma ths hlithiothtas kai ths asxetosynhs pollwn epikindynvn odhgvn poy kykloforoyn kathimerina anamesa mas.
Ante na soy xtyphsei kaneis kana ftero h kamia carbon porta kai na thn spasei....Den spaei eykola alla ... spaei.. Pera loipon ap'to oti kindyneyeis -an eisai parwn- na peraseis merikes wres sto tmhma apo to xylo poy tha toy rixeis kai na fas kai mhnysh, den tha exeis ameso tropo na apokatasthseis thn zhmia giati poly apla to carbon den ftiaxnetai...petietai ki agorazetai allo...Kai pragmatika den tha ithela na erthw se mia tetoia thesh pote. Edw ena carbon kapo phra kai orismenes fores perissotero agxwnomai ston dromo para eyxaristiemai thn odhghsh m' ayta poy blepw gyrw moy.
Opote den blepw na kanw kati allo ston tomea toy elafrvmatos pera apo to na bgalw isws kapoia mhxanika merh opws (Antlia aera, koykoyla me toys mhxanismoys ths, air-condition) poy zygizoyn kamposa kilakia ola mazi. Gyrw sta 80Kgr an den kanw lathos. Opote einai ki ayto kati. Omvs ap; thn allh einai sigoyro oti kapoia stigmh tha xreiastei kai to air-condition kai thn koykoyla - thn antlia area den prokeitai na thn xreiastw afoy katalyths den yparxei... Opote den xerw an tha ta bgalw telika. Eipame... den einai pure racing to aytokinhto. Einai kai gia thn polh.
Twra oson afora se zantes lastixa kai frena poy rwthses den prokeitai na kanw tipota giati ta exw hdh.
a) Zantes: "WORK" 17" monoblock sfyrhlates
b) Frena: "Brembo" me tetrapistones dagkanes kai diploys
aerizomenoys - tryphtoys diskoys 330mm mprosta kai
aploys tryphtoys elafrvmenoys diskoys "Spoon" me tis 'mama'
dagkanes pisw. Epishs yparxoyn svlhnakia ypsilhs pieshs mprosta
pisw.
c) Oson afora sta lastixa ap' osa exw dokimasei protimw
ta "Continental" Sport Contact 2 gia ton dromo kai ta
semislick "TOYO" Proxes 888 gia thn pista.
d) Ki epeidh xexases na rvthseis kai gia thn anarthsh tha soy pw kai gi'
aythn.
"KW" Variant 3 me rythmiseis bythismatos, bound kai rebound
efodiasmenh me mia skala sklhrotera elathria ap' ayta poy dinei
me thn agora toy kit h etairia.

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Posted 15 November 2005 - 02:13 AM

File DS2000 fysika o swstos tropos gia na xaseis varos den einai na pareis ena bodykit aksias 10.000euro! Tha xaseis to poly 20 kila. ligo den einai 20 kila, alla to carbon kit tha to vazoun oi eteries pou exoun eksadlisei kathe allh phgh elafrwmatos, kai den exoun ti allo na elafrwsoun. Kai opos poly swsta les, einai krima na exeis S kai na phgeneis san xesmenos epeidi tha to xalaseis :D

Epeidi ta kila einai to forte mou se oti afora to S, apla tha parathesw merikous tropous.

(enoite oti osoi den theloun na xasoun kammia anesh, kai den theloun na peiraksoun katholou to s, tha menoun sta 1250+kila H tha skasoun xiliades euro)...

To pio efkolo kai pio anektiko gia olous, einai na paroun mia HardTop kai na petaksoun tin SoftTop mazi me tous mhxanismous. Einai 30 kila h softtop mazi me ta 2 moter pou exei apo kathe meria. Ean to hardtop einai elafry (san tou energetic) tha xasoun poly varos (20-25), ean einai stock (me to megalo tzami) kai den tin periergastoun ligo (na vgaloun ta plastika, klp) mono 10-12 kila.

Epishs h adlia aera einai gyro sta 5-6 kila, kai einai kai sto xeirotero shmeio pou ta mporouse na ginei (katw apo to aristero fanari ebros) ena h koukoula as poume einai sto kedro...

Meta mia allh lysh pou synithws einai anektikh, einai kathismata. Enoite oti den tha einai anoigoklinomena. Akoma kai to pio fthno na parete, tha einai gyro sta 7 kila, se adithesi me ta mama pou ine 12 (15 mazi me vaseis) opote xanete mani-mani 14 kila kai apo ta 2.

Enoite oti ama vgalete to Air Condition tha riksete toulaxiston 30 kila apo to amaksi.. to A/C einai ektos synagonismou sto elafrwma :hello:

Epishs anektiko apolous einai to na vgaloun ta plastika, tin rezerva, ta ergaleia, kai ton grylo apo to portpagaz... me liga logia to port pagaz tha minei me ti lamarina.. alla who cares??? isa isa kerdizete kai xoro :thumbdn: meion 25-30 kila kai apo edw..

(to travigmeno einai na kopsete ti lamarinoula, pou exei gia ta ergaleia.. to VATHOULOMA dld pou kanei to pisw meros, kai na to kleisete me mia elafrya lamarinoula h ena fylo carbon.. ekei glytonete epipleon 20kg!!!)

Lygoi theloun na "xalasoun" to panemorfo eswteriko tous, opote den tha pw polla giafto to tomea. apla endiktika, to stereo mazi me megafona einai 6-7 kila, oi moketes 5 peripou, ta plastika pisw apo ta kathismata gyro sta 8-10, ean vgalete kai ta sidera, kai ta adikatastisete me ena roll bar (oxi roll cage) xanete akoma liga kila, to tablo den leei na to vgalete poly elafry. SRS aerosakoi einai kalo elafrwma 5 + 1tou odigou (alla na exete kathisma agwnistiko kai zones meta, min skotothoume kiolas :thumbup: )

Pame kai stis anartiseis. Oi zades opos eipa kai ston filo eristikoS einai apo to kalytero elafrwma epeidi einai kai peristrefomeni maza (h peristrefomenh maza otan peristrefete, analoga tin taxythta apokta kai megalytero varos, h zada sas dld otan pate me 100 mporei na zigizei 50 kila parapanw, (((ormh legete kanonika))) ) Opote dialegete kai pernete (elafrya zada pada) opote xanete 2.5 kila apo kathe roda peripou (analoga me ti zada).

Meta einai kai ta idia ta amortiser. Propados koitakste na einai kala afta pou tha parete, alla se periptosh pou einai aluminenia, tha xasete alla 10-12 kila synolika.

Epishs stis anartiseis sygatalegw kai ta diskofrena. Edw mporeite na elafrwsete tin peristrefomeni maza (diskous) alla KAI "mh anartomenh maza" (opos kai stous troxous) diladi to systhma anarthshs pou exei apeftheias epafh me to dromo, kai den mesolavei to amortiser, einai kai afto shmadiko). Isos na xasete 1-1.5 kila apo kathe disko, alla oxi pada.


Engine, kai edw exei trella kerdh se varos.. ksekinodas apo tin eisagwgh,pou ligo poly oloi tha exete adikatasthsei. Epeidi to mama filtrokouti einai megalo, synithos xanoume kai apo edw kila. Meta to xtapodi to mama einai 11.4 kila.. to mugen einai 6.4 kila, kai to amuse (to pio elafry ever) einai 4.2 kila!! ola ta alla einai anamesa se aftes tis times.. sinithos oti kai na valete tha xasete den ginete na min xasete estw 2-3 kila...

Eksatmisi einai TRELLA kerdh... h mama eksatmisi einai sta 27 kila peripou... ean valete mia dipli, pithanon na sizigei 11-15 kila.. opote pali xanete kati.. ean valete mia moni, xanete POLLA, afou oi kales mones pane gyro sta 5kila.. tora ean einai kai titaniou pou einai gyro sta 3-4 kila akoma perissotera. h pio elafrya pali einai h amuse R1000 pou zigizei 4.1kg. opote xanete 23 kila mono apoeksatmisi!!!!!

Episis kai o syblekths einai peristrefomeni maza... akoma kai 2-3 kila elafryteros na einai, otan peristrefete stis 9ares exoume tragika kerdi, kai se aloga, kai se synoliko varos (ormi opos eipame)

PROSPERNAW to carbon propeller, giati exei 3.500euro... an mporeite na toparete kalos omos, giati kai kila glytonete, kai adraneia moter (trelles diafores).

Tora apo to kapo einai megalh ypothesh.. to mama einai sta 6 kila.. opos kai to portpagaz. Ean valete ena ftino (amerikaniko sinithos :D) kapw, to opoio tha zigizei 5 kila, molis dosate 500 euro gia to tipota... ean exete lefta kai parete kana eponymo, kati tha kerdisete.. (2-3) to amuse epeidi einai dry carbon, kerdizei 4 kila.. alla einai PANAKRIVO.. (to kako ths amuse :thumbup: ) to idio panw katw kai me to portpagaz.

mporeite na dosete 300 euro gia carbon kathreptes, kai na glytosete 1.5-2 kila apo kathe meria. 4 synolo dld! (oriste marie sou kanw kai diafimisi :D ) einai kai pshla oi kathreptes, xamilonete kai to kedro varous :D )

Eeee opos katalavate mporoume na proxorisoume ki allo, alla einai ligo travigmeno.. to pio poly pou mproume na kanoume einai sta 960kila, kai to exei kanei h CWEST, afth evale kai carbon bodykit.. ta perisotera agonistika einai 1.000kila xoris carbon kit.

Skefthte akoma kai sta 1150 kila na ftasete, einai san na efyge ena atomo apo to s2000 sas!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! kai pistepste me ta 100 prwta kila den einai dyskola...

afta
bill

This post has been edited by SocratesDTC: 15 November 2005 - 02:23 AM


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