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Originally Posted by SocratesDTC' date='Nov 14 2005, 01:02 AM
Les na einai toso sigano-papadia? Pww me kseneroses tora 
Den ektelonizete gia pio logo epeidi ine apo amerikh? Anyway thanks gia tin info. Really thanks.
Den ektelonizete gia pio logo epeidi ine apo amerikh? Anyway thanks gia tin info. Really thanks.
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Symfvnv oti to to na elafryneis t' aytokinhto einai kati poy toy dinei dynamh kai to xypnaei gia ta kala alla tha prepei na exoyme ypopsi mas oti gia na ginei mia oysiastikh beltiwsh ston tomea toy baroys (h pio swsta ths mazas toy aytokinhtoy) tha prepei na katafygoyme se lyseis body - kit kai kata protimhsh full carbon body kits poy einai oti pio elafry tha mporoyse na balei kaneis. Yparxoyn etairies poy exoyn ta panta ( Kapo, portes, ftera mprosta kai pisw, port baggage, profylakthres, diaxytes aera, kathreftes k.p.l- ola kataskeyasmena apo anthrakonhmata h polyestera h syndyasmo kai tvn 2). Ta xrhmata omws poy tha xreiastei na dapanhseis einai para polla alla ki an kaneis elege oti to synoliko timhma den einai kai poly megalytero ap' ayto poy tha diethete gia na beltiwsei to idio to moter tha prepei na laboyme yp' opsh mas oti to aytokinhto basika to xrhsimopoioyme mesa stoys dromoys ths Athinas kai poly ligotero sthn pista. Thelw na pw oti mia lysh enos tetoioy body kit tairiazei s; ena aytokinhto poy xrhsimopoieitai mono se asfaleis synthikes opws aytes poy prosferei mia pista ki oxi s; ena aytokinhto kathimerinhs xrhshs poy ana pasa stigmh kindyneyei na pesei thyma ths hlithiothtas kai ths asxetosynhs pollwn epikindynvn odhgvn poy kykloforoyn kathimerina anamesa mas.
Ante na soy xtyphsei kaneis kana ftero h kamia carbon porta kai na thn spasei....Den spaei eykola alla ... spaei.. Pera loipon ap'to oti kindyneyeis -an eisai parwn- na peraseis merikes wres sto tmhma apo to xylo poy tha toy rixeis kai na fas kai mhnysh, den tha exeis ameso tropo na apokatasthseis thn zhmia giati poly apla to carbon den ftiaxnetai...petietai ki agorazetai allo...Kai pragmatika den tha ithela na erthw se mia tetoia thesh pote. Edw ena carbon kapo phra kai orismenes fores perissotero agxwnomai ston dromo para eyxaristiemai thn odhghsh m' ayta poy blepw gyrw moy.
Opote den blepw na kanw kati allo ston tomea toy elafrvmatos pera apo to na bgalw isws kapoia mhxanika merh opws (Antlia aera, koykoyla me toys mhxanismoys ths, air-condition) poy zygizoyn kamposa kilakia ola mazi. Gyrw sta 80Kgr an den kanw lathos. Opote einai ki ayto kati. Omvs ap; thn allh einai sigoyro oti kapoia stigmh tha xreiastei kai to air-condition kai thn koykoyla - thn antlia area den prokeitai na thn xreiastw afoy katalyths den yparxei... Opote den xerw an tha ta bgalw telika. Eipame... den einai pure racing to aytokinhto. Einai kai gia thn polh.
Twra oson afora se zantes lastixa kai frena poy rwthses den prokeitai na kanw tipota giati ta exw hdh.
a) Zantes: "WORK" 17" monoblock sfyrhlates
b) Frena: "Brembo" me tetrapistones dagkanes kai diploys
aerizomenoys - tryphtoys diskoys 330mm mprosta kai
aploys tryphtoys elafrvmenoys diskoys "Spoon" me tis 'mama'
dagkanes pisw. Epishs yparxoyn svlhnakia ypsilhs pieshs mprosta
pisw.
c) Oson afora sta lastixa ap' osa exw dokimasei protimw
ta "Continental" Sport Contact 2 gia ton dromo kai ta
semislick "TOYO" Proxes 888 gia thn pista.
d) Ki epeidh xexases na rvthseis kai gia thn anarthsh tha soy pw kai gi'
aythn.
"KW" Variant 3 me rythmiseis bythismatos, bound kai rebound
efodiasmenh me mia skala sklhrotera elathria ap' ayta poy dinei
me thn agora toy kit h etairia.
Symfvnv oti to to na elafryneis t' aytokinhto einai kati poy toy dinei dynamh kai to xypnaei gia ta kala alla tha prepei na exoyme ypopsi mas oti gia na ginei mia oysiastikh beltiwsh ston tomea toy baroys (h pio swsta ths mazas toy aytokinhtoy) tha prepei na katafygoyme se lyseis body - kit kai kata protimhsh full carbon body kits poy einai oti pio elafry tha mporoyse na balei kaneis. Yparxoyn etairies poy exoyn ta panta ( Kapo, portes, ftera mprosta kai pisw, port baggage, profylakthres, diaxytes aera, kathreftes k.p.l- ola kataskeyasmena apo anthrakonhmata h polyestera h syndyasmo kai tvn 2). Ta xrhmata omws poy tha xreiastei na dapanhseis einai para polla alla ki an kaneis elege oti to synoliko timhma den einai kai poly megalytero ap' ayto poy tha diethete gia na beltiwsei to idio to moter tha prepei na laboyme yp' opsh mas oti to aytokinhto basika to xrhsimopoioyme mesa stoys dromoys ths Athinas kai poly ligotero sthn pista. Thelw na pw oti mia lysh enos tetoioy body kit tairiazei s; ena aytokinhto poy xrhsimopoieitai mono se asfaleis synthikes opws aytes poy prosferei mia pista ki oxi s; ena aytokinhto kathimerinhs xrhshs poy ana pasa stigmh kindyneyei na pesei thyma ths hlithiothtas kai ths asxetosynhs pollwn epikindynvn odhgvn poy kykloforoyn kathimerina anamesa mas.
Ante na soy xtyphsei kaneis kana ftero h kamia carbon porta kai na thn spasei....Den spaei eykola alla ... spaei.. Pera loipon ap'to oti kindyneyeis -an eisai parwn- na peraseis merikes wres sto tmhma apo to xylo poy tha toy rixeis kai na fas kai mhnysh, den tha exeis ameso tropo na apokatasthseis thn zhmia giati poly apla to carbon den ftiaxnetai...petietai ki agorazetai allo...Kai pragmatika den tha ithela na erthw se mia tetoia thesh pote. Edw ena carbon kapo phra kai orismenes fores perissotero agxwnomai ston dromo para eyxaristiemai thn odhghsh m' ayta poy blepw gyrw moy.
Opote den blepw na kanw kati allo ston tomea toy elafrvmatos pera apo to na bgalw isws kapoia mhxanika merh opws (Antlia aera, koykoyla me toys mhxanismoys ths, air-condition) poy zygizoyn kamposa kilakia ola mazi. Gyrw sta 80Kgr an den kanw lathos. Opote einai ki ayto kati. Omvs ap; thn allh einai sigoyro oti kapoia stigmh tha xreiastei kai to air-condition kai thn koykoyla - thn antlia area den prokeitai na thn xreiastw afoy katalyths den yparxei... Opote den xerw an tha ta bgalw telika. Eipame... den einai pure racing to aytokinhto. Einai kai gia thn polh.
Twra oson afora se zantes lastixa kai frena poy rwthses den prokeitai na kanw tipota giati ta exw hdh.
a) Zantes: "WORK" 17" monoblock sfyrhlates
b) Frena: "Brembo" me tetrapistones dagkanes kai diploys
aerizomenoys - tryphtoys diskoys 330mm mprosta kai
aploys tryphtoys elafrvmenoys diskoys "Spoon" me tis 'mama'
dagkanes pisw. Epishs yparxoyn svlhnakia ypsilhs pieshs mprosta
pisw.
c) Oson afora sta lastixa ap' osa exw dokimasei protimw
ta "Continental" Sport Contact 2 gia ton dromo kai ta
semislick "TOYO" Proxes 888 gia thn pista.
d) Ki epeidh xexases na rvthseis kai gia thn anarthsh tha soy pw kai gi'
aythn.
"KW" Variant 3 me rythmiseis bythismatos, bound kai rebound
efodiasmenh me mia skala sklhrotera elathria ap' ayta poy dinei
me thn agora toy kit h etairia.
11-14-2005, 10:13 PM
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File DS2000 fysika o swstos tropos gia na xaseis varos den einai na pareis ena bodykit aksias 10.000euro! Tha xaseis to poly 20 kila. ligo den einai 20 kila, alla to carbon kit tha to vazoun oi eteries pou exoun eksadlisei kathe allh phgh elafrwmatos, kai den exoun ti allo na elafrwsoun. Kai opos poly swsta les, einai krima na exeis S kai na phgeneis san xesmenos epeidi tha to xalaseis 
Epeidi ta kila einai to forte mou se oti afora to S, apla tha parathesw merikous tropous.
(enoite oti osoi den theloun na xasoun kammia anesh, kai den theloun na peiraksoun katholou to s, tha menoun sta 1250+kila H tha skasoun xiliades euro)...
To pio efkolo kai pio anektiko gia olous, einai na paroun mia HardTop kai na petaksoun tin SoftTop mazi me tous mhxanismous. Einai 30 kila h softtop mazi me ta 2 moter pou exei apo kathe meria. Ean to hardtop einai elafry (san tou energetic) tha xasoun poly varos (20-25), ean einai stock (me to megalo tzami) kai den tin periergastoun ligo (na vgaloun ta plastika, klp) mono 10-12 kila.
Epishs h adlia aera einai gyro sta 5-6 kila, kai einai kai sto xeirotero shmeio pou ta mporouse na ginei (katw apo to aristero fanari ebros) ena h koukoula as poume einai sto kedro...
Meta mia allh lysh pou synithws einai anektikh, einai kathismata. Enoite oti den tha einai anoigoklinomena. Akoma kai to pio fthno na parete, tha einai gyro sta 7 kila, se adithesi me ta mama pou ine 12 (15 mazi me vaseis) opote xanete mani-mani 14 kila kai apo ta 2.
Enoite oti ama vgalete to Air Condition tha riksete toulaxiston 30 kila apo to amaksi.. to A/C einai ektos synagonismou sto elafrwma
Epishs anektiko apolous einai to na vgaloun ta plastika, tin rezerva, ta ergaleia, kai ton grylo apo to portpagaz... me liga logia to port pagaz tha minei me ti lamarina.. alla who cares??? isa isa kerdizete kai xoro
meion 25-30 kila kai apo edw..
(to travigmeno einai na kopsete ti lamarinoula, pou exei gia ta ergaleia.. to VATHOULOMA dld pou kanei to pisw meros, kai na to kleisete me mia elafrya lamarinoula h ena fylo carbon.. ekei glytonete epipleon 20kg!!!)
Lygoi theloun na "xalasoun" to panemorfo eswteriko tous, opote den tha pw polla giafto to tomea. apla endiktika, to stereo mazi me megafona einai 6-7 kila, oi moketes 5 peripou, ta plastika pisw apo ta kathismata gyro sta 8-10, ean vgalete kai ta sidera, kai ta adikatastisete me ena roll bar (oxi roll cage) xanete akoma liga kila, to tablo den leei na to vgalete poly elafry. SRS aerosakoi einai kalo elafrwma 5 + 1tou odigou (alla na exete kathisma agwnistiko kai zones meta, min skotothoume kiolas )
Pame kai stis anartiseis. Oi zades opos eipa kai ston filo eristikoS einai apo to kalytero elafrwma epeidi einai kai peristrefomeni maza (h peristrefomenh maza otan peristrefete, analoga tin taxythta apokta kai megalytero varos, h zada sas dld otan pate me 100 mporei na zigizei 50 kila parapanw, (((ormh legete kanonika))) ) Opote dialegete kai pernete (elafrya zada pada) opote xanete 2.5 kila apo kathe roda peripou (analoga me ti zada).
Meta einai kai ta idia ta amortiser. Propados koitakste na einai kala afta pou tha parete, alla se periptosh pou einai aluminenia, tha xasete alla 10-12 kila synolika.
Epishs stis anartiseis sygatalegw kai ta diskofrena. Edw mporeite na elafrwsete tin peristrefomeni maza (diskous) alla KAI "mh anartomenh maza" (opos kai stous troxous) diladi to systhma anarthshs pou exei apeftheias epafh me to dromo, kai den mesolavei to amortiser, einai kai afto shmadiko). Isos na xasete 1-1.5 kila apo kathe disko, alla oxi pada.
Engine, kai edw exei trella kerdh se varos.. ksekinodas apo tin eisagwgh,pou ligo poly oloi tha exete adikatasthsei. Epeidi to mama filtrokouti einai megalo, synithos xanoume kai apo edw kila. Meta to xtapodi to mama einai 11.4 kila.. to mugen einai 6.4 kila, kai to amuse (to pio elafry ever) einai 4.2 kila!! ola ta alla einai anamesa se aftes tis times.. sinithos oti kai na valete tha xasete den ginete na min xasete estw 2-3 kila...
Eksatmisi einai TRELLA kerdh... h mama eksatmisi einai sta 27 kila peripou... ean valete mia dipli, pithanon na sizigei 11-15 kila.. opote pali xanete kati.. ean valete mia moni, xanete POLLA, afou oi kales mones pane gyro sta 5kila.. tora ean einai kai titaniou pou einai gyro sta 3-4 kila akoma perissotera. h pio elafrya pali einai h amuse R1000 pou zigizei 4.1kg. opote xanete 23 kila mono apoeksatmisi!!!!!
Episis kai o syblekths einai peristrefomeni maza... akoma kai 2-3 kila elafryteros na einai, otan peristrefete stis 9ares exoume tragika kerdi, kai se aloga, kai se synoliko varos (ormi opos eipame)
PROSPERNAW to carbon propeller, giati exei 3.500euro... an mporeite na toparete kalos omos, giati kai kila glytonete, kai adraneia moter (trelles diafores).
Tora apo to kapo einai megalh ypothesh.. to mama einai sta 6 kila.. opos kai to portpagaz. Ean valete ena ftino (amerikaniko sinithos) kapw, to opoio tha zigizei 5 kila, molis dosate 500 euro gia to tipota... ean exete lefta kai parete kana eponymo, kati tha kerdisete.. (2-3) to amuse epeidi einai dry carbon, kerdizei 4 kila.. alla einai PANAKRIVO.. (to kako ths amuse ) to idio panw katw kai me to portpagaz.
mporeite na dosete 300 euro gia carbon kathreptes, kai na glytosete 1.5-2 kila apo kathe meria. 4 synolo dld! (oriste marie sou kanw kai diafimisi ) einai kai pshla oi kathreptes, xamilonete kai to kedro varous )
Eeee opos katalavate mporoume na proxorisoume ki allo, alla einai ligo travigmeno.. to pio poly pou mproume na kanoume einai sta 960kila, kai to exei kanei h CWEST, afth evale kai carbon bodykit.. ta perisotera agonistika einai 1.000kila xoris carbon kit.
Skefthte akoma kai sta 1150 kila na ftasete, einai san na efyge ena atomo apo to s2000 sas!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !! kai pistepste me ta 100 prwta kila den einai dyskola...
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Epeidi ta kila einai to forte mou se oti afora to S, apla tha parathesw merikous tropous.
(enoite oti osoi den theloun na xasoun kammia anesh, kai den theloun na peiraksoun katholou to s, tha menoun sta 1250+kila H tha skasoun xiliades euro)...
To pio efkolo kai pio anektiko gia olous, einai na paroun mia HardTop kai na petaksoun tin SoftTop mazi me tous mhxanismous. Einai 30 kila h softtop mazi me ta 2 moter pou exei apo kathe meria. Ean to hardtop einai elafry (san tou energetic) tha xasoun poly varos (20-25), ean einai stock (me to megalo tzami) kai den tin periergastoun ligo (na vgaloun ta plastika, klp) mono 10-12 kila.
Epishs h adlia aera einai gyro sta 5-6 kila, kai einai kai sto xeirotero shmeio pou ta mporouse na ginei (katw apo to aristero fanari ebros) ena h koukoula as poume einai sto kedro...
Meta mia allh lysh pou synithws einai anektikh, einai kathismata. Enoite oti den tha einai anoigoklinomena. Akoma kai to pio fthno na parete, tha einai gyro sta 7 kila, se adithesi me ta mama pou ine 12 (15 mazi me vaseis) opote xanete mani-mani 14 kila kai apo ta 2.
Enoite oti ama vgalete to Air Condition tha riksete toulaxiston 30 kila apo to amaksi.. to A/C einai ektos synagonismou sto elafrwma
Epishs anektiko apolous einai to na vgaloun ta plastika, tin rezerva, ta ergaleia, kai ton grylo apo to portpagaz... me liga logia to port pagaz tha minei me ti lamarina.. alla who cares??? isa isa kerdizete kai xoro
meion 25-30 kila kai apo edw..(to travigmeno einai na kopsete ti lamarinoula, pou exei gia ta ergaleia.. to VATHOULOMA dld pou kanei to pisw meros, kai na to kleisete me mia elafrya lamarinoula h ena fylo carbon.. ekei glytonete epipleon 20kg!!!)
Lygoi theloun na "xalasoun" to panemorfo eswteriko tous, opote den tha pw polla giafto to tomea. apla endiktika, to stereo mazi me megafona einai 6-7 kila, oi moketes 5 peripou, ta plastika pisw apo ta kathismata gyro sta 8-10, ean vgalete kai ta sidera, kai ta adikatastisete me ena roll bar (oxi roll cage) xanete akoma liga kila, to tablo den leei na to vgalete poly elafry. SRS aerosakoi einai kalo elafrwma 5 + 1tou odigou (alla na exete kathisma agwnistiko kai zones meta, min skotothoume kiolas
)Pame kai stis anartiseis. Oi zades opos eipa kai ston filo eristikoS einai apo to kalytero elafrwma epeidi einai kai peristrefomeni maza (h peristrefomenh maza otan peristrefete, analoga tin taxythta apokta kai megalytero varos, h zada sas dld otan pate me 100 mporei na zigizei 50 kila parapanw, (((ormh legete kanonika))) ) Opote dialegete kai pernete (elafrya zada pada) opote xanete 2.5 kila apo kathe roda peripou (analoga me ti zada).
Meta einai kai ta idia ta amortiser. Propados koitakste na einai kala afta pou tha parete, alla se periptosh pou einai aluminenia, tha xasete alla 10-12 kila synolika.
Epishs stis anartiseis sygatalegw kai ta diskofrena. Edw mporeite na elafrwsete tin peristrefomeni maza (diskous) alla KAI "mh anartomenh maza" (opos kai stous troxous) diladi to systhma anarthshs pou exei apeftheias epafh me to dromo, kai den mesolavei to amortiser, einai kai afto shmadiko). Isos na xasete 1-1.5 kila apo kathe disko, alla oxi pada.
Engine, kai edw exei trella kerdh se varos.. ksekinodas apo tin eisagwgh,pou ligo poly oloi tha exete adikatasthsei. Epeidi to mama filtrokouti einai megalo, synithos xanoume kai apo edw kila. Meta to xtapodi to mama einai 11.4 kila.. to mugen einai 6.4 kila, kai to amuse (to pio elafry ever) einai 4.2 kila!! ola ta alla einai anamesa se aftes tis times.. sinithos oti kai na valete tha xasete den ginete na min xasete estw 2-3 kila...
Eksatmisi einai TRELLA kerdh... h mama eksatmisi einai sta 27 kila peripou... ean valete mia dipli, pithanon na sizigei 11-15 kila.. opote pali xanete kati.. ean valete mia moni, xanete POLLA, afou oi kales mones pane gyro sta 5kila.. tora ean einai kai titaniou pou einai gyro sta 3-4 kila akoma perissotera. h pio elafrya pali einai h amuse R1000 pou zigizei 4.1kg. opote xanete 23 kila mono apoeksatmisi!!!!!
Episis kai o syblekths einai peristrefomeni maza... akoma kai 2-3 kila elafryteros na einai, otan peristrefete stis 9ares exoume tragika kerdi, kai se aloga, kai se synoliko varos (ormi opos eipame)
PROSPERNAW to carbon propeller, giati exei 3.500euro... an mporeite na toparete kalos omos, giati kai kila glytonete, kai adraneia moter (trelles diafores).
Tora apo to kapo einai megalh ypothesh.. to mama einai sta 6 kila.. opos kai to portpagaz. Ean valete ena ftino (amerikaniko sinithos
) kapw, to opoio tha zigizei 5 kila, molis dosate 500 euro gia to tipota... ean exete lefta kai parete kana eponymo, kati tha kerdisete.. (2-3) to amuse epeidi einai dry carbon, kerdizei 4 kila.. alla einai PANAKRIVO.. (to kako ths amuse ) to idio panw katw kai me to portpagaz.mporeite na dosete 300 euro gia carbon kathreptes, kai na glytosete 1.5-2 kila apo kathe meria. 4 synolo dld! (oriste marie sou kanw kai diafimisi
) einai kai pshla oi kathreptes, xamilonete kai to kedro varous )Eeee opos katalavate mporoume na proxorisoume ki allo, alla einai ligo travigmeno.. to pio poly pou mproume na kanoume einai sta 960kila, kai to exei kanei h CWEST, afth evale kai carbon bodykit.. ta perisotera agonistika einai 1.000kila xoris carbon kit.
Skefthte akoma kai sta 1150 kila na ftasete, einai san na efyge ena atomo apo to s2000 sas!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !! kai pistepste me ta 100 prwta kila den einai dyskola...
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Yparxei an8rwpos pou phre to S kai ekane ola auta gia na xasei varos kai na phgainei kalytera ????
Meta poia einai h diafora apo ena uno 800 kila me 500hp??
8a leme oti kapote eixa S2000 meta to ekana custom gia na pataw UNO 500hp + 1 gaidouri pou to odhgei ...
Telos pantwn apopsi mou pali k oles oi apopseis sevastes, den lew na kanoume ta S ligo kalytera alla me tropo ....
Panta Filika !!!
Meta poia einai h diafora apo ena uno 800 kila me 500hp??
8a leme oti kapote eixa S2000 meta to ekana custom gia na pataw UNO 500hp + 1 gaidouri pou to odhgei ...
Telos pantwn apopsi mou pali k oles oi apopseis sevastes, den lew na kanoume ta S ligo kalytera alla me tropo ....
Panta Filika !!!
11-15-2005, 02:27 AM
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den einai to idio me uno. to kalo sasi paramenei, ta plastika, kai ta diakosmitika den einai meros tou kalou sxediasmou. kai symfwnw me tin apopsi sou, apla eipa ola afta gia na ta kserei kapoios pou isos endiaferete na ta kanei
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afth alloste einai kai h diafora apo tin modena me ti strandale.. den nomizw na min sou aresei i stradale.. apla ekei gia ena periergo logo, KANEIS den diamarthrete gia to gegonos oti den exei patakia, exei plastika parathyra, exei maniveles stis portes, den exei door panels, klp!
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Γειά σε όλους.... Μόλις είδα το ελληνικό τμήμα του site. Έχω το 2001 μοντέλο, από US με τούρμπο. Όλα στοκ, boost στα 0.6. Τώρα σκέφτομαι να κατεβάσω τη συμπίεση για να ανεβάσω το boost λιγο. Μέχρι τωρα κανένα πρόβλημα... Έχει κανένας πρόταση για ένα καλό gasket?
Ευχαριστώ,
Γιάννης
Ευχαριστώ,
Γιάννης
11-16-2005, 12:13 PM
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h spoon pernei to mama gasket, sou aferei ena fyllo (3 exei to mama) kai sto poulaei san spoon gasket etsi toulaxiston ginete stous B16. logika esy tha kaneis to aditheto. tha valeis perissotera fyla. ta fylla den einai kollimena, sygratoude me ena "pritsinaki". twra pou kai pws tha kaneis swsth douleia den kserw.. ean thes na pareis ena eponymo xodro gasket gia na exeis to kefali sou hsyxo kanto! den kserw pou mporeis na vreis. kalosorises padws!
etsi toulaxiston ginete stous B16. logika esy tha kaneis to aditheto. tha valeis perissotera fyla. ta fylla den einai kollimena, sygratoude me ena "pritsinaki". twra pou kai pws tha kaneis swsth douleia den kserw.. ean thes na pareis ena eponymo xodro gasket gia na exeis to kefali sou hsyxo kanto! den kserw pou mporeis na vreis. kalosorises padws!