smile

why bother, just supercharge the s2000 motor.

CypherAZ

$4386.25 + PRC Intake Manifold + Tuning = 217.5whp

http://forums.clubrsx.com/showthread.php?t=339104

300whp? Ha

james bond

You guys do realize that atleast ONE of the reasons that the K20/24 are making 220-270 WHP is that they are in a FWD CAR?

Stick a common 215WHP F20C in a FWD layout (not a good idea) car and watch it lay down 250-260.


FWD and RWD WHP is always going to be different.

I have seen a few K20's do a good 230WHP with a DTR header. The F20C will come around. I remeber when they said "We just cant make anymore power with the b18C1 its to good from the factory" and look at them now.

ADAM_ROB_UK

excuse me if im wrong but every one seems to have over looked one MAJOR problem....

the F20c/F22c rotate the opposite way from the k24/k20

i cant remember which one rotates which way but im pretty sure they rotate oppostie ways.

Slows2k

The K motors and the F20C rotate the same direction.(clockwise) Earlier Honda engines rotate the opposite direction.

brent_strong

Drivetrain loss for FWD is usually estimated at around 15%, for RWD, it is only around 17-18%. Your numbers are wildly off. Also, if you want to add a torsen limited slip differential to the FWD transmission, the percentages will be even closer.

ADAM_ROB_UK

thanks for that Slows i will remember that

CarBoN

ok so if drivtrain loss between fwd and rwd is so close, how come people are making sooo much more wheel horspower with k series motors then with f series?


there seems to be the same amount of parts available for each motor, and people are making very high wheel horspower numbers with k series for much less money

i mean i can build a k24/k20 motor to 275whp for less then 7 grand including the price of the head/block and trans


that will not happen on a f series motor

CarBoN

for the people that suggested goin boost, n/a all the way, 275+ all motor wheel horspower is nuts, all motor horspower is much differnet then turbo power

a 300 all motor wheel horspower S2000 will smoke a 300 wheel horspower turbo S2000, and it will do it making better gas mileage and be more reliable

kayvan_pour

wow... First off, listening to a bunch of people on club rsx saying there motor is more powerful isn't a good idea. I have worked some with the motor. My cousin has the type-r k20 and 6 speed tranny from japan in his hatch. He has a ton of bolt on's and everything is top of the line (i mean tons of cash). He's making 203 rwhp. Goes to show what happens in reality.

And why would you ever want to swap out your motor for a k-series? The f20/22ca can make more power n/a and forced induction. Your just seeing better gains out of the k-series right now because there is allot more research and development out for that motor. But in the long run the f20/f22c will always be able to make more power. Wisconsins2k and my self have had this discussion many times in the street encounter forum. The biggest thing your seeing right now holding back the s2k is research and development.


Put it like this, if you ever did some how put the k-series motor is the s2k, you would need to: Put on a racing header, full exhaust, top of the line intake, and get a hondata or k-pro ecu just to be able to be at the same power level as stock f20/f22c... Does this make any sense to you????


And for the the n/a power vrs. fi power. That is a shitty argument. Lets say you did some how get this swap done and get the 300 whp out of it n/a. THat would run you around the $10,000 range... Give me 10k to spend on a F/I system for my car and I'll be putting over 500 rhwp. And run around the n/a set up all day. Does this make sense to you??? Yes 300 na is better than 300 f/i. But you would get sooooooooooo much more than 300 rwhp f/i with all the money you want to blow.


Just me .02, take it for whats its worth