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#1 User is offline   JDMchris.com 

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Posted 14 September 2007 - 11:57 AM

Oscar Jr. asked me if I could make a thread dedicated to the discussion about the new Rotrex kits that way all questions, concerns can be adressed and responded to in this thread instead of the other few scattered on the Forum. I know Oscar Jr. Jrod and myself will try to keep this thread updated for you guys :thumbup:


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Let me tell you about KraftWerks:



KraftWerks was started to house all of our Rotrex-powered supercharger kits by Jackson Racing. We believe the Rotrex product will be able to grow with this brand into the future.



KraftWerks is made up of us at Jackson Racing, with Oscar Jackson Sr. at the helm and the rest of our Jackson Racing supercharger engineers. The same quality and technology that you have known of JR, will be with KraftWerks, and will be better than ever. We have improved our supercharger design techniques and have learned quite a bit on the Rotrex supercharger from recent testing.



KraftWerks will establish its own distribution by the time of the release of our new kits. No other companies will be responsible for the distribution of KraftWerks supercharger kits.



We are working on some improvements to the Fit SC kit, no information on the changes has been released. The official changes will be made public at a later date. We hope to have the kit released by this December.



We appreciate the support of the Fit community very much. KraftWerks would also like to thank JDMChris for his continued support through this mess!



We are very excited about our new venture, and hope the Fit community is ready for some boost!!



Thank you all!



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Posted 14 September 2007 - 10:53 PM

Biggest drawback I see with the kit as it needs it's own oil pump, cooler and tank. it runs a special oil that it can not share with the engine.

So we would have three coolers in front of the radiator.

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Posted 15 September 2007 - 12:07 AM

[QUOTE=blackey,Sep 14 2007, 07:53 PM]Biggest drawback I see with the kit as it needs it's own oil pump, cooler and tank.

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Posted 15 September 2007 - 07:35 PM

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Posted 15 September 2007 - 08:40 PM

I was wondering how you would go about increasing boost with the rotrex blower. Would you simply change the pulley size or would the traction drive cancel out the higher impeller speeds?
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Posted 17 September 2007 - 05:08 PM

[QUOTE=S2Kart,Sep 15 2007, 07:46 AM] Because of it's unique geartrain (viscous-coupled planetary), the Rotrex can use more of a turbo impeller - higher max RPM - than a conventional centrifugal SC.

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Posted 17 September 2007 - 05:15 PM

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I was wondering how you would go about increasing boost with the rotrex blower. Would you simply change the pulley size or would the traction drive cancel out the higher impeller speeds?

Like with most superchargers, we change the boost pressure with pulley size. Having said that, the Rotrex does use a different method of attaching the pulley to the supercharger. It does not use a simple keyway.

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Posted 17 September 2007 - 05:23 PM

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Well one good thing about the Rotrex is they are about to release a special "transmission" for the blower that will allow it to run a gearing of 1:1.365 which will allow for low end torque and then it will switch back to 1:1 at higher RPMs to allow for a more linear boost curve. I don't know how much the kit will cost, but I know that you can buy just the compressor and oil system for around 2200.00 So I don't know how much more they are going to charge for the brackets and EM.

The Antonov drive system is not affiliated in any way with Rotrex and Rotrex Superchargers.

The Antonov drive has not reached a production state, but they are continuing their studies.

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Posted 17 September 2007 - 05:29 PM

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This is a Rotrex SC, not a centrifugal SC.

The Rotrex SC is a centrifugal supercharger.

But it is unlike any other centrifugal supercharger because of its drive system and features. The drive system is what allows the smaller compressors. Features include no oil pan tapping, ultra quiet operation, high impeller speeds, high efficiency, etc.

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Posted 17 September 2007 - 05:51 PM

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5-7K. and you still need engine management and injectors etc? yikes.

The KraftWerks kits, as with all Jackson Racing kits in the past, will come with everything you need. This includes fuel management, and depending on the kit, injectors. All our kits are complete, with no "figure it out on your own" parts.

-Oscar Jr.

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Posted 10 October 2007 - 02:07 AM

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Here's your answer:

The Rotrex was built with the idea that, turbos compressors are efficient pumps, they are just coupled to heat and are exhaust driven. Why not build a belt driven turbo?

Typical turbo compressors wheels spin above 80,000RPM to be in their efficiency range. This range, depending on the size of the compressor wheel, can be up to and above 200,000 RPM.

This efficiency range cannot be reached by the centrifugals we commonly know.
To counter act not hitting the high RPMs, the centrifugal superchargers have been big, and had big compressor wheels, in an attempt to move air. But these big wheels also cause poor low RPM performance on the vehicle.

Now here comes the Rotrex.

-The Rotrex is small; about the size of the turbo it competes against. It has a traction drive, but is sans the turbine of course.

-The traction drive system has been tested to over 500,000RPM! Compressors wheels will not live at that RPM though. The smallest Rotrex unit spins at 201,000 RPM all day long!

-It uses the same wheels and housings as its turbo opponents, because the drive system can turn the proper RPMs.

Hope that answers a few questions.

-Oscar Jackson Jr.

:thumbup: Answer to the questions regarding how the supercharger air is different than that of a typical centrifugal.

Of course, Rotrex.com for more information on the supercharger.

Thanks,

Oscar Jackson Jr.

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Posted 02 November 2007 - 09:32 PM

will really like to how know how does that 400 hp kit proven the power?
anyother bolts ons or just the kit itself and a tune?
thx

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Posted 03 November 2007 - 12:47 AM

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will really like to how know how does that 400 hp kit proven the power?
anyother bolts ons or just the kit itself and a tune?
thx

The 400 hp kit includes everything needed to get the 400+ hp (including the tune -- VTEC, timing, AFR, rev limit, etc.)...Also note, we use an amazing high CFM FMIC that will not 'heak soak' like so many cheap kits on the market. The only caveat with the 400+ hp kit is that we HIGHLY recommend a stronger clutch, as stock clutch will not hold the power.

The 300 hp kit can use the stock clutch.

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Posted 03 November 2007 - 06:11 PM

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Seems to be a piggyback (propetary most likely) but if the kit can be purchased without the piggyback, you can use an AEM Fuel / Ignition Controller (F/IC) which would allow a more precise tune; but then you loose the CARB rating and might as well go to the 400whp kit. From there, WTFKs since it is too damn early to know what the marketing strategy is.

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The 400hp kit uses a flashed ECU (not piggyback) and we can look into selling the kit without the ECU option and that will likely reduce the kit a significant amount (sorry we did not plan on this route so I don't have the answer to your next question -- how much...)...The 300hp kit uses a proprietary solution to optimize the fuel / timing solution and has to be sold with the kit.

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Posted 03 November 2007 - 07:27 PM

[QUOTE=Elroy,Nov 3 2007, 03:48 PM] cij911:

Is there a core exchange or does the customer retain the factory ecu? Pardon the hipe but hell ya that will save some $$$$'s. Not being a pin head, but with this

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Posted 06 November 2007 - 07:48 PM

Hello All!

We had a fantastic SEMA show! :D It was great to meet some of you on the forum!
Let me see if I can clear a few things up:

The KraftWerks Supercharged S2000 (SEMA car) is at over 400 wheel HP and 280 lb-ft of torque. With 200 lb-ft at 4000 RPM! It is wonderful to drive!
The KraftWerks S is a completely stock engine, with stock head gasket, stock header and stock catalytic converter.

Our pricing for the kits is as follows:
-The KraftWerks CARB-Legal (5PSI) supercharger kit will be $5495.
This kit includes all necessary hardware and instructions. This kit uses our SuperCard injection module for a fuel solution. This proprietary module has been tested on the vehicle in a range of situations, requiring no additional tuning.

-The KraftWerks High-Boost (10PSI) supercharger kit will be $6495.
The High-Boost kit will utilize Hondata engine management and RC injectors. KraftWerks has worked closely with Hondata to develop the H-O kit program, and will not require additional tuning.

For those of you that have already made the investment in a standalone ECU, we now have a solution.

-The KraftWerks You Tune (YT) High-Boost supercharger kit will be available for $5695.
RC Injectors and Hondata will NOT be included, allowing you to decide what type of injectors and standalone ECU you would like. This kit is designed exclusively for the tuner/racer that has a standalone ECU, properly sized injectors and access to a dyno.

Any information/inquiries/questions/concerns regarding any KraftWerks product should be sent to sales@kraftwerksusa.com or PM'd to KraftWerks.
More updates will be available in the coming weeks here on S2Ki or on our soon-to-launch website, KraftWerksUSA.com. :tipwink:

I think that is all! If not, post your question!! :thumbup:

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Posted 06 November 2007 - 09:31 PM

Is the Hondata unit a RSX K-pro or a S2k specific unit?

How about AP1 High boost apps?
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Posted 06 November 2007 - 10:59 PM

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Is the Hondata unit a RSX K-pro or a S2k specific unit?

How about AP1 High boost apps?

S2K specific app...AP1 coming soon...(Sorry Oscar :)...just had to answer)...

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Posted 06 November 2007 - 11:09 PM

Does your AP2 high boost app require cam and crank sensor replacement with MY06 parts like the Hondata K-pro?

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Posted 06 November 2007 - 11:09 PM

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Does your AP2 high boost app require cam and crank sensor replacement with MY06 parts like the Hondata K-pro?

No.

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Posted 06 November 2007 - 11:18 PM

KraftWerks will be releasing kits for all models of S2000.
AP2 will release ahead of the AP1, but only by a month or two.

The Hondata engine management used on the KraftWerks High-Boost kit is a proprietary Hondata ECU flash. The ECU mapping has been tested by KraftWerks and Hondata thoroughly, and meets the highest standards in tuning and reliability. The flash adjusts your system to the highest reliable, day-drivable mapping available. No need to further adjust!

The ECU flash adjusts:
Fuel
Timing
VTEC Engagement
RPM limit
Closed-loop Fuel for increased fuel efficiency
Injector Compensation
ETC...

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Posted 07 November 2007 - 12:00 PM

The CARB-Legal/Base kit uses an independent unit, the SuperCard.
The High-Boost kit will use the Hondata ECU flash.
The Hondata ECU flash is a flash to the S2000 ECU.
A shipping box to send your ECU into Hondata will be provided, at no additional charge.

The international S2000 will not be supported in the initial release. International S2000 will eventually have an option.

This pricing covers all S2000s.
The CARB-Legal kit will pass VA emissions.

The stock head gasket will be utilized in all of our kits.

There will be an upgrade path from Base kit to High-Boost kit. :thumbup:

-Oscar Jackson Jr.

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Posted 07 November 2007 - 12:06 PM

Installation-

Total installation time and required tools will be provided in our installation instructions and will be available closer to the kit release. The install time has not been timed as of yet (production pieces needed), but I would expect under 6 hours. An average home mechanic with proper tools should have no problems following our installation instructions.


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Posted 08 November 2007 - 05:45 PM

KraftWerks has yet to announce our 00-05 High-Boost electronics solution.
The Hondata reflash will be locked.

No "clutch-style" pulley system will be used on the supercharger kits.
You say you are looking for mileage and power. You can get both! On our Base kits we typically see an INCREASE in highway mileage. So no need to disconnect the supercharger.

Base Kit Electronics:
All CARB-Legal/Base kits will come with the SuperCard for tuning. The SuperCard is a proprietary fuel injection module and uses advanced software for tuning. The SuperCard is easy to install, with plug and play simplicity at the injectors.

The SuperCard comes with all the mapping required, no need to tune. Contrary to popular belief, the SuperCard is not a "basemap" to get you to a dyno or to "get you down the road." Also, the SuperCard really isn't a "piggyback" by traditional standards.

We spend a lot of time testing our electronics so that they will work across a whole range of situations; much like a typical OEM manufacturer.

We enjoy our SuperCard product because it is simple for you, and it works seamlessly with the vehicle; at all throttle positions, all altitudes, all temperatures, all conditions.

The SuperCard is locked for CARB certification.

-Oscar Jackson Jr.

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Posted 10 November 2007 - 12:53 PM

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Say, something I haven't heard asked here: Does this kit come with any guarantee or warranty? As in, 'properly installed and maintained, good for 6 months or 10,000 miles' kind of thing. Just curious. PPP

The Rotrex charger has a 2yr warranty.

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