New S2000 in 2014?
06-19-2010, 01:55 PM
#21
Originally Posted by s2kPA,Jun 18 2010, 05:25 PM
I though the S2000 hung around for 10 years basically unchanged because it sold better than anticipated.Sales only started to really drop after the 7th year of production.
This is a true roadster yet the bmw z4 for example sold 30,000 in 2006 while the S was a fraction of that.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_S2000
In the United States, the largest market for the S2000 worldwide, the suggested retail price of the base 2009 Honda S2000 is $34,995.[35] The CR trim's base price is $36,995 with a $1,000 option to add air-conditioning and stereo.
In the United Kingdom, the 2009 model is offered in two trims, Roadster and GT. The GT trim features a removable hard-top and an outside temperature gauge. On-the-road prices of these trims are £27,300 and £27,850, respectively.
After several years of steady production, sales of the roadster began falling dramatically starting in 2006, and the trend accelerated during the 2008 U.S. recession. Honda sold 7,320 units in the U.S for 2004, the first year of the AP2. In 2008, only 2,538 units were sold in the U.S. - a 74% decline from the 2002 sales peak. In November of that year, for the first time since its launch, fewer than 100 new S2000's were sold nationwide during a calendar month.[36]
In the United Kingdom, the 2009 model is offered in two trims, Roadster and GT. The GT trim features a removable hard-top and an outside temperature gauge. On-the-road prices of these trims are £27,300 and £27,850, respectively.
After several years of steady production, sales of the roadster began falling dramatically starting in 2006, and the trend accelerated during the 2008 U.S. recession. Honda sold 7,320 units in the U.S for 2004, the first year of the AP2. In 2008, only 2,538 units were sold in the U.S. - a 74% decline from the 2002 sales peak. In November of that year, for the first time since its launch, fewer than 100 new S2000's were sold nationwide during a calendar month.[36]
06-19-2010, 02:58 PM
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That looks well...not too good. It's too narrow and high. Not sleek enough. Even though the s2k is a 10 year old body it still looks amazing. The looks are timeless. It's so free flowing and clean, there is nothing offensive about the styling or anything you can really point out as out of the place. They need to keep the shape relativly the same...Just a little more power maybe
06-19-2010, 03:15 PM
#24
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Originally Posted by rob-2,Jun 19 2010, 04:55 PM
Peaked in 01/02 and slowly fell every year, except a spike in 05. 110,000 units is a small production run. Hard to justify it when the 2009 sales were cratering. Compare this to their other cars and this one was a poor performer. Got the axe a few years after the nsx suffered similar sales issues. I imagine there is a certain number of units they have to produce to hold a given price. Sad to see her go but my point that it DIDN't sell but it didn't sell as well as it should.
This is a true roadster yet the bmw z4 for example sold 30,000 in 2006 while the S was a fraction of that.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_S2000
This is a true roadster yet the bmw z4 for example sold 30,000 in 2006 while the S was a fraction of that.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_S2000
The fact that it went on for as long as it did, and sold as many as it did, is probably a heck of a lot better than what Honda was originally expecting, regardless of what other roadsters were doing.
It's interesting you mention the Z4. I noticed that for all of 2009, sales were down to 3523. Only 11% of the 2006 total you quote. So the S2000 hasn't been the only car to have sales drops. Also, of that 30,000 Z4s, how many of those were manual transmissions? That's a huge factor for car sales here in the US.
06-19-2010, 05:22 PM
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If they are serious, it will remain a Honda . An Acura sports car would be like a Lincoln Mustang or a Cadallac Corvette. The true sports cars almost always reflect the basic model in the company line.
06-20-2010, 03:01 PM
#27
Originally Posted by Elistan,Jun 19 2010, 04:15 PM
Obviously none of us have access to Honda's business plan for the S2000, nor the actual returns on the car. But the story we were told when it first came out was it would be a very limited production run. It was built in the same low-production facility as the NSX and original Insight, after all.
The fact that it went on for as long as it did, and sold as many as it did, is probably a heck of a lot better than what Honda was originally expecting, regardless of what other roadsters were doing.
It's interesting you mention the Z4. I noticed that for all of 2009, sales were down to 3523. Only 11% of the 2006 total you quote. So the S2000 hasn't been the only car to have sales drops. Also, of that 30,000 Z4s, how many of those were manual transmissions? That's a huge factor for car sales here in the US.
The fact that it went on for as long as it did, and sold as many as it did, is probably a heck of a lot better than what Honda was originally expecting, regardless of what other roadsters were doing.
It's interesting you mention the Z4. I noticed that for all of 2009, sales were down to 3523. Only 11% of the 2006 total you quote. So the S2000 hasn't been the only car to have sales drops. Also, of that 30,000 Z4s, how many of those were manual transmissions? That's a huge factor for car sales here in the US.
My point was purely business. A low volume line cannot be kept forever and a future line built off the same 'concept' will likely suffer the same slow sales.
It's clear the market didn't love the s2000. I love, you love it and yes it's a great roadster - personally I think one of the best. But the market didn't care enough to buy them up.
Production may have been limited but that's largely because there never was much demand.
I don't have 09 sales date for the s2000 but I believe it was even less then 3500 units. Recession sales likely aren't the best bench mark for a cars performance in the market place.
06-20-2010, 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Disgustipated,Jun 18 2010, 04:07 PM
Never seen the Honda Beat before...
but it looks so familiar...
Oh yeah.
but it looks so familiar...
Oh yeah.
Here:
you can thank me later
06-20-2010, 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted by JackS,Jun 19 2010, 06:22 PM
If they are serious, it will remain a Honda . An Acura sports car would be like a Lincoln Mustang or a Cadallac Corvette. The true sports cars almost always reflect the basic model in the company line.
