Bullwings

Hey all, I'm new here and have mainly been lurking/reading. I'm pretty sure this has probably been discussed before, and I've done some searches, I just haven't come up with any clear concise answers based on those threads. Maybe someone can link/point me in the right direction...

Anyway, my question is this. I'm looking for an 05 or 06 S2K. I know the difference is that the 06 switched to drive by wire and also allows engine management and tuning using Hondata. If I got an 05, what would be my options? Flashpro? Would it be comparable to an 06 as far as tuning options?

I have no big plans to do a lot of tuning any time soon since I'll mainly be working on the suspension, brakes (basics, no BBK, yet...), hardtop, and track time driving. That won't leave much $$$ for tuning.

Essentially, the first year or so of ownership will likely be brakes (pads/lines/fluid) and driving time doing HPDEs. A hardtop or COs will likely be next. I realistically don't see tuning in the future of my car until much later in the future, but at the same time I don't want to left without options should that time come.

Back to the question... 05 or 06? Is the 06+ really superior as far as tuning options are concerned? Would it be possible to tune the 05 to get V-tech down to 5K rpms?

w00t692

Tuning an 06 costs you less than tuning an 05 or older.

06+ : flashpro
05 and lower: (full tuning capabilities) aem ems and kpro. Both of these solutions are between 1000-2000 dollars new. (kpro is 13 or 1400 + 300-400 in oem parts required)

H22toF20

I don't like the idea of DBW. Look at all of the problems Toyota is having with them; not that I've heard of an S2k having these problems.

whiteflash

[QUOTE=H22toF20,Sep 25 2010, 10:57 PM] I don't like the idea of DBW.

w00t692

i don't know if any of you have a clue what you're talking about.

I know it's not the right section, but just to give you an idea how responsive flashpro makes the throttle on any dbw honda, check out the bucking from my civic when i downshift in 1st gear right at the beginning of the video:
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qd2RJOrH9A [/media]


You don't get more performance with cable throttle. After using flashpro on my civic i can tell you now that you get MORE performance because you can tune the throttle map to your liking AND disable any kind of dampening put on it from the factory to limit input at any given time.

Bullwings

Cool. Thanks for the info everyone. It looks like I'll keep my search down to an 04-05 and save a few bucks.

I don't plan on any power mods until 3+ years out. I wanna track the car on stock power. I can probably save around $2-$3K. That'll go a long ways toward brake pads,fluids, lines and lots of track time.

w00t692

I never said to do what you said. I only meant that remapping the throttle map can affect pedal feel, responsiveness and it can affect how much torque is made at specific rpm points. Also, i think you conveniently skipped over the part where i mentioned the stock throttle map has a dampening affect on the throttle and does not allow 100% throttle position at certain points in the rpm range. Results in poor throttle response in certain situations.

There are more options, but they are also expensive, and when dbw is superior in a lot of ways (less parts to break, less vaccum hoses, less bullshit.) I'm sorry, but cable throttle is old hat.


AEM EMS: 800 or more used, 1200 new
kpro: 1395 new, + 3-400 in oem parts

flaspro.... 695 and it requires no ecu swapping, no wiring harness components and no swapping OEM parts.

Judging from the OP's comments, an 06 would be the better fit, as he wouldn't have to spend an arm and a leg just to tune his vehicle.

Gernby

I've been autocrossing Hondas for almost 20 years, and I don't believe there is ANY throttle response problem with my '08 DBW AP2. After tuning my '08 with a FlashPro, and getting incredible gains in power and driveability, I would NEVER consider an '00-'05 S2000. The FlashPro is ablsolutely the best bang for the buck mod available for the S2000, and really makes the '06+ models the only real choice going forward, IMHO. Even if I had no interest in modding, I would still get a FlashPro just to make a stock S2000 more driveable.

BTW, you can actually gain power in the low RPMs by restricting the throttle plate. I gained about 5 ft-lbs by keeping my throttle plate mostly closed until 3K RPMs.

Kermdaddy

I agree in the tunability of 06s are a lot greater than those of <05s, but the sole reason I wouldn't get an 06 is b/c of the returnless fuel system.

w00t692

^^ the entire cost of making your system returnable for boost costs the same or less than the other methods of tuning the car...