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My MY00 has started stuttering when I get down to about 10 ltrs left in the tank. Normal or due to the fact I haven't changed the fuel filter in the last 80k miles?
Fuel filter?
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Posted 21 February 2012 - 12:48 PM
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Posted 21 February 2012 - 01:07 PM
your picking up the shite in the bottom of the tank 
s2000's dont really have replaceable filters. there is a sock in the tank, but if that were the issue then it'd be all the time..
s2000's dont really have replaceable filters. there is a sock in the tank, but if that were the issue then it'd be all the time..
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Posted 21 February 2012 - 01:10 PM
I thought as much..
I was just trying to work out how complicated it would be cleaning the tank out. Is there an easy way that doesn't involve removal and swilling with fuel before accidentally pouring it all over my jeans and feet before mistakenly lighting a fag?
I was just trying to work out how complicated it would be cleaning the tank out. Is there an easy way that doesn't involve removal and swilling with fuel before accidentally pouring it all over my jeans and feet before mistakenly lighting a fag?
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Posted 21 February 2012 - 01:13 PM
OK, so after a quick read of the service manual, any option that doesn't involve removing the tank would be appreciated.
I mean I'm all for a bit of hard work but removing most of the rear end and subframe isn't my idea of a fun weekend...
I mean I'm all for a bit of hard work but removing most of the rear end and subframe isn't my idea of a fun weekend...
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Posted 21 February 2012 - 01:21 PM
Gary, I think there may be a fuel filter on the fuel rail,I haven't had a good look, I've got a spare tank filter, 2 infact, also a stock fuel rail you could take with you on friday, The tank is a basket to work on unless you are a person of stunted growth.
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Posted 21 February 2012 - 01:27 PM
Cheers Mr P but as it only happens on the last 10 litres or so, I fear the Veehex chap is correct. I was wildly hoping for an alternative reason like "Ah, it's the low fuel stutter circuit. Just remove fuse X and it'll all be fine".
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Posted 21 February 2012 - 01:29 PM
Why don't they put a frikkin drain plug in them so you could easily flush them through?
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Posted 21 February 2012 - 01:33 PM
Why run it down that far 
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Posted 21 February 2012 - 01:35 PM
Have you worked on the fuel pump?I'll show you on mine what's involved, it isn't difficult just very tight, you could possibly work on it in situ, but it would be awkward.plus if it's in situ it would save you doing what I always do.... Which is to kick it over.
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Posted 21 February 2012 - 01:36 PM
I fill up twice a week and usually have slightly more than that in at fill up time. On the odd occasion my missus uses the S, it throws my fill up routine out the window by 40 miles or so.
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Posted 21 February 2012 - 01:37 PM
She's subliminally telling you to leave it full for her 
It's probably getting 95 octane too
It's probably getting 95 octane too
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Posted 21 February 2012 - 01:40 PM
She has an annoying habit of leaving me with whichever car is running on fumes when I come to use it.
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Posted 21 February 2012 - 01:45 PM
I replaced the whole fuel filter assembly nearly 2 years ago and the suction sock at that stage was only slightly dirty, a few black specs here and there - but i replaced both anyways. There is the cylinder (fuel filter) then the actual suction sock, i have replaced the assembly with a bigger walbro pump and cleaned the float gauge too. My car had it changed at about 110k.
In this day and age i dont believe crap collects in the bottom like it used to years ago, I don't believe there is a fuel filter in the fuel rail on the s2000 no point. When working on older Fiats, Honda's and few other cars i have replaced the fuel pump with a bigger one as they were getting tuned.
It just so happens i took photos
In this day and age i dont believe crap collects in the bottom like it used to years ago, I don't believe there is a fuel filter in the fuel rail on the s2000 no point. When working on older Fiats, Honda's and few other cars i have replaced the fuel pump with a bigger one as they were getting tuned.
It just so happens i took photos
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Posted 21 February 2012 - 02:32 PM
I'd say it could be two things as most likely:
1. a weak or blocked lift pump. You'd need a pressure gauge on the fuel rail to check that.
2. The bottom of the tank is full of water - from dodgy petrol or condensation. You might want to drain the tank completely & refill as the first easier step.
1. a weak or blocked lift pump. You'd need a pressure gauge on the fuel rail to check that.
2. The bottom of the tank is full of water - from dodgy petrol or condensation. You might want to drain the tank completely & refill as the first easier step.
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Posted 21 February 2012 - 03:29 PM
Nick Graves, on 21 February 2012 - 02:32 PM, said:
I'd say it could be two things as most likely:
1. a weak or blocked lift pump. You'd need a pressure gauge on the fuel rail to check that.
2. The bottom of the tank is full of water - from dodgy petrol or condensation. You might want to drain the tank completely & refill as the first easier step.
1. a weak or blocked lift pump. You'd need a pressure gauge on the fuel rail to check that.
2. The bottom of the tank is full of water - from dodgy petrol or condensation. You might want to drain the tank completely & refill as the first easier step.
If that's the case Nick he could just stick a tube/ pump to the bottom if the tank and suck the water out.that would save a lot of work.it could easily be the case, When you park aeroplanes up you always try to leave them with a full fuel tank, to reduce the gap for condensation to build up. You would always drain off a small amount if fuel into a clear container and check the water content.
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Posted 21 February 2012 - 03:47 PM
Well this weekend is out. Just found out my dad is paying me a visit this weekend and I have to keep him away from the missus. They don't get on.. joy!
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Posted 22 February 2012 - 04:44 AM
You could just run it down to "stutter level" then useing a liquid pump attached to a drill and a bit of tube suck out from the fuel filler and dump (sorry ecologicly dospose) what comes out.
Or dissconect the fuel line where ever it's easyer to get to and switch on the ignition and let the fuel pump do the work, but you would have to flush it through afterwards and run the risk of blockong the filter.
Or dissconect the fuel line where ever it's easyer to get to and switch on the ignition and let the fuel pump do the work, but you would have to flush it through afterwards and run the risk of blockong the filter.
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Posted 22 February 2012 - 06:07 AM
Nick Graves, on 21 February 2012 - 02:32 PM, said:
I'd say it could be two things as most likely:
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2. The bottom of the tank is full of water - from dodgy petrol or condensation. You might want to drain the tank completely & refill as the first easier step.
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2. The bottom of the tank is full of water - from dodgy petrol or condensation. You might want to drain the tank completely & refill as the first easier step.
how? fuel pickup is at the bottom of the tank reguardless of how full of fuel it is.
also, doesn't water sit ontop of fuel anyway?
based on that - I'm sceptical that it's c.10l of water in the tank (1/5th of a tank!!
), but might be worth draining the tank. best way is to remove the rear tray, and then you can get straight ontop of the fuel tank.also, the little filter looking thing on the fuel rail - isnt that the pressure regulator? (it's been a while since i've really taken notice of the S2000 fuel system)
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Posted 22 February 2012 - 06:12 AM
No water is denser/higher specific gravity than petrol so water sinks. Water having a SG of 1 and I think petrol is 0.7 or something close.
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Posted 22 February 2012 - 08:49 AM
I don't think Nick is suggesting the whole last 10ltrs is water but if there is a bit of water in the bottom, it'll get sloshed about and is more obvious. i.e a bit/10 is more than a bit/50
Makes sense to me.
Makes sense to me.
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Posted 22 February 2012 - 01:09 PM
If you have a small head you could shove it between the seats(roof up) and with a torch you should be able to see if there is water in the bottom of the tank, I've got no chance, my head is far too large.
Are you calling over Friday Gary?
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Posted 22 February 2012 - 01:51 PM
Hi Gary, if you've got water in your tank there's a product made by Wynn's called dry fuel, very good results,,, if you want to check your fuel pressure just swing by sometime,best to check it when it's low as this is when you have your problem,
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Posted 22 February 2012 - 02:23 PM
Cheers Ang, I'll look that stuff up.
Should be ok for Friday Mr P but won't know till the day as there's lots of contract meetings at work at the mo and the minute you get people in a room that charge by the hour, they drag on...
Plus, I'm a 59cm hat size (large) so my head ain't going in that gap lol.
Should be ok for Friday Mr P but won't know till the day as there's lots of contract meetings at work at the mo and the minute you get people in a room that charge by the hour, they drag on...
Plus, I'm a 59cm hat size (large) so my head ain't going in that gap lol.
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Posted 22 February 2012 - 02:48 PM
GaryB, on 22 February 2012 - 02:23 PM, said:
Cheers Ang, I'll look that stuff up.
Should be ok for Friday Mr P but won't know till the day as there's lots of contract meetings at work at the mo and the minute you get people in a room that charge by the hour, they drag on...
Plus, I'm a 59cm hat size (large) so my head ain't going in that gap lol.
Should be ok for Friday Mr P but won't know till the day as there's lots of contract meetings at work at the mo and the minute you get people in a room that charge by the hour, they drag on...
Plus, I'm a 59cm hat size (large) so my head ain't going in that gap lol.
Bloody ell! 59cm?? I've seen smaller holiday islands than that.It's large enough to have it's own weather system.
On a serious note, I'm off work next week( working on my car) so if you want to call over anytime next week that would be good.
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Posted 22 February 2012 - 03:25 PM
mr-pitts, on 22 February 2012 - 02:48 PM, said:
Bloody ell! 59cm?? I've seen smaller holiday islands than that.It's large enough to have it's own weather system.
