THE CONSTITUTION LIVES!
 

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Figured I would link, so Patrick would not have to move another one......

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I agree with the courts.

We should deal with suspects, of course, but there's a way to do it and still obey the Constitution...

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DONT POST IN HERE PEOPLE USE THE LINK!!!!!

how come i dont have any permission to view the link?

Guests cannot see all forums...........

PAY UP!!!!!!

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Didn't you know? Terrorist suspects are guilty until proven innocent!
And hey, didn't I see you having coffee with a Middle Eastern fellow
the other day? You need to come with me. Don't worry about a thing.
This is the US. Land of the freedom-suppressors and home of the
debraved... :o :o :o

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I heard this on the news this morning and was so pleased that there's some honest folks left in our government. The current administration is well-schooled in Machiavellianism.

as well as Marxism ....... :(


NOW STOP POSTING POLITICAL ISSUES IN THIS TREAD AND USE THE LINK MIKE SUPPLIED!!!!!

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Yeah, the "liberal" Justices voted for the majority........That idiot Scalia said, in his dissent, that the country would live to regret the decision.

REALLY? Regret that the Constitution was upheld by the Supreme Court, Antonin????

What a d*ck..........

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Antonin believes in upholding the constitution as written by the founders of our country, not through modern day interpretations. I agree. Enemies of the state and non-citizens should be extended no protection by the constitution.

Right modern day BS interpretations is ruining us all. :( My further response is IN THE LINK!!!!


NOW STOP POSTING POLITICS IN THIS AREA BEFORE PATRICK MOVES THE THREAD FOR THE 10th TIME!!!! USE THE LINK GUYS!!!!

Show me where it says that.

Good point.........

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OverBooster, check the other thread......I posted........

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<-------- No more S2000 = No more paying for membership ;)

I like posting in here. :LOL:

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I'll copy it here (sorry Patrick):




This seems pretty cut and dried to me......how can you interpret this any other way??


14th Amendment: "....nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the l

Because you are a trouble-maker and need to be arrested, locked up, and confined, but not charged, for an indeterminate period of time.....in other words: Until we are damned good and ready to release you. :mad:



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:) haha bert! Your screwed! :)

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[QUOTE=05TurboS2k,Jun 13 2008, 09:58 AM]:wedgie:

Therein lies the paradox, our free thinking country finds ways to interpret even the simplest of statements in a variety of different ways. Guitmo is not in the US, so the question of whether our laws extend that far exists. How laws of individual countries extend outside their borders has been hotly debated for over a century.

Either way, the courts have spoken and we could debate until death. That said...Yay its Friday!!

[QUOTE=OverBooster,Jun 13 2008, 11:10 AM] Therein lies the paradox, our free thinking country finds ways to interpret even the simplest of statements in a variety of different ways.

[QUOTE=OverBooster,Jun 13 2008, 10:10 AM] Therein lies the paradox, our free thinking country finds ways to interpret even the simplest of statements in a variety of different ways.

It is not a good point.

Yes it is. And US law applies within that base.

Even if it's not, agents of the US should uphold the constitution
to the best of their ability, regardless of where they are, IMO.
We don't have the Constitution because we think it's a good idea
for US citizens, but because we think it's a good idea, period.

Edit: and umm, this is S2000 related, because it umm... affects
the price of gas, which is important to all of us S2000 drivers.
Or something... :suspect:

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:LOL: Twenty hard earned bucks to continue an endless debate....OR....12 buffalo wings, cheesy fries, and two massive beers at the end of the day. I know which one I am choosing :hello:

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OK, then if it is our soil, there is no argument....... :thumbup:

Well, while I agree with you in spirit on your 2nd point, the law may state otherwise.....

Ooops, forgot the "jurisdiction" phrase......

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PRIORITIES, MAN!!!!!!!!

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There is no question, actually. US law is THE law on a US base in a foreign country. The host nation has no jurisdiction.

Indeed, if a US service member were to go out of the base and murder a national then come back on base, the local police is NOT allowed to pursue him into the installation.

Hmmmm......some knowledge there........

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Heheh. I'm oversimplifying, but basically a military base, while not considered US soil, still adheres to certain US laws (the Constitution doesn't always apply) depending on what's agreed upon with the Status of Forces Agreement with the host nation.

It's different depending on where you are.

That said, does the Constitution apply at Gitmo??

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Brian.... I'm not sure that makes it US SOIL, in which case that changes things. We have embassies around the world which this holds true (all of what you said). However this is NOT always the case <EDIT> AS WOLFGANG NOW ALSO STATED BEFORE I POSTED IN TIME. So I'm not so sure your fully correct.... Perhaps?

You believe agents should uphold and enforce the US constitution wherever they are? So now wherever we walk is US LAW?

I'm assuming you meant if we setup some kind of temp. situation like a base or whatever. Still. I feel their laws should be respected in some cases and we are simply a guest. I went to Korea (and I know you've been to Japan) and things work between both laws.

Greg

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What we can then say from this is that INDEED the Constitution does not and can not always be applied. So now we can say to the 14th. EVERYONE means EVERY US CITIZEN and possibly more , but not necessarily, Objections?

If so, consider that by doing so we would be IMPOSING it upon others who possibly do not wish to accept it. That said should we then be forced to impose the parts that also protect them from us if we can't impose the other parts on them? My answer is a simple NO.

[QUOTE=05TurboS2k,Jun 13 2008, 12:29 PM] What we can then say from this is that INDEED the Constitution does not and can not always be applied.

[QUOTE=Nicotunes,Jun 13 2008, 01:47 PM] I disagree.

Apparently you did not read it. ;)

In the applicable section of the 14th Amendment, it CLEARLY STATES "person", NOT "citizen"

How clear can you get?

[QUOTE=OverBooster,Jun 13 2008, 01:02 PM] By your rationale, using the 14th Amendment and arguing any person, it would be a violation of the constitution for anyone to take a human life in the US.

poop! :lalala: tooo much thinking make head hurt ouch! yay its friday!


some police are state :)

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True, there are State Troopers. But they do not shoot people......

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