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Old Dec 6, 2014 | 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted by mosesbotbol
Originally Posted by Bullwings' timestamp='1417906476' post='23429136
Those using a watch as a tool, aren't wearing a $10k watch and taking it into the shower with them or working under their car with it on...
Says who? I see people with 10K as their beater watch... Like having a 50K car just for going to the mall or parking at the airport. Why to park the Bentley or Lambo in a public parking lot when you can just buy another car?
I always don my most expensive timepiece when I take the garbage out .

I think the neighbours are suitably impressed.


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Old Dec 6, 2014 | 09:30 PM
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Originally Posted by jkelley
A lot of (most) large manufacturing plants in the US will not allow you to have your phone on you - whether it's safety related (chemical industry) or IP reasons. Watches are very popular in my industry (chemical).
I also work in a manufacturing facility in the biotech industry. I can't remember the last time I saw a production tech (making $15-$18/hour) wearing a $10K watch...

Additionally, there are clocks all over the walls everywhere in the facility. We don't want employees working over time (because we're cheap, so we make sure they know what time it is). We also want to make sure that we don't get hit with any labor law suits for lunch breaks and when they take them, so it's mandatory that they clock in and out at the right times. On top of it, the techs are covered wearing so much PPE (personal protective equipment) - both for their safety and that of bio contamination - that they're not allowed to be pulling at the sleeves of their lab coats so that they can see their watches (let alone pull out smart phones).

Every meeting room (of which there are 8 in the facility) I sit in has a clock on the wall. My computer runs on windows - it has the time in the lower right hand corner.

On the rare occasion I haven't had any of the above available to me, it didn't require a $10K time piece - such as at the beach or under my car (not that I could imagine anyone with the mind set to purchase a $10K+ watch also having the same mind set to crawl under their car, mow their own lawn, or clean their own pool).

The point i'm trying to clarify here is WHY (as in the true reason) we buy these things. There's nothing wrong with buying them or using them. More power and congrats to you for that achievement. However; don't try to play it off like the $10K+ watch is purely so you'll know what time it is and that its core function of telling time is superior in function to the Timex, similar to how the "gold-dipped selfie generator" isn't providing any core functional benefits that are superior to an iPhone6 , Galaxy S5, Note, etc. etc.

Anyway, as someone else stated here, it's all relative, right? Yes, my S2000 is also a luxury to a good chunk of the world (just not impressive to the pocket that I reside in). And, by those standards, I'd find myself in the 1% (2% at the very least). It's a car forum (and the internet at that), we can all mutually appreciate cars, whether or not its a luxury - other luxury items, not necessarily... My bad, like some of the other posters, I couldn't understand why (or rather I could... except no one would admit it).
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Old Dec 6, 2014 | 10:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Bullwings
Originally Posted by jkelley' timestamp='1417917764' post='23429270
A lot of (most) large manufacturing plants in the US will not allow you to have your phone on you - whether it's safety related (chemical industry) or IP reasons. Watches are very popular in my industry (chemical).
I also work in a manufacturing facility in the biotech industry. I can't remember the last time I saw a production tech (making $15-$18/hour) wearing a $10K watch...

Additionally, there are clocks all over the walls everywhere in the facility. We don't want employees working over time (because we're cheap, so we make sure they know what time it is). We also want to make sure that we don't get hit with any labor law suits for lunch breaks and when they take them, so it's mandatory that they clock in and out at the right times. On top of it, the techs are covered wearing so much PPE (personal protective equipment) - both for their safety and that of bio contamination - that they're not allowed to be pulling at the sleeves of their lab coats so that they can see their watches (let alone pull out smart phones).

Every meeting room (of which there are 8 in the facility) I sit in has a clock on the wall. My computer runs on windows - it has the time in the lower right hand corner.

On the rare occasion I haven't had any of the above available to me, it didn't require a $10K time piece - such as at the beach or under my car (not that I could imagine anyone with the mind set to purchase a $10K+ watch also having the same mind set to crawl under their car, mow their own lawn, or clean their own pool).

The point i'm trying to clarify here is WHY (as in the true reason) we buy these things. There's nothing wrong with buying them or using them. More power and congrats to you for that achievement. However; don't try to play it off like the $10K+ watch is purely so you'll know what time it is and that its core function of telling time is superior in function to the Timex, similar to how the "gold-dipped selfie generator" isn't providing any core functional benefits that are superior to an iPhone6 , Galaxy S5, Note, etc. etc.

Anyway, as someone else stated here, it's all relative, right? Yes, my S2000 is also a luxury to a good chunk of the world (just not impressive to the pocket that I reside in). And, by those standards, I'd find myself in the 1% (2% at the very least). It's a car forum (and the internet at that), we can all mutually appreciate cars, whether or not its a luxury - other luxury items, not necessarily... My bad, like some of the other posters, I couldn't understand why (or rather I could... except no one would admit it).
Here we go again.

Take a look, again, at what I wrote. Then take a look at your comprehensive response to my comment. Then ask yourself if anything you said had anything to do with what I said


I never said a $10k watch was worth it. My response was to in response to people claiming that watches are "a thing of the past" in terms of functionality/convenience since almost everyone has their smartphone with them at all times. I found this erroneous.

But I do have a ~$150 watch, and it meets my needs of working in a chemical plant to which I cannot have my smartphone, and I can be anywhere "on site" and know what time it is. And I've visited several plants, and each time it's always been useful to have my watch. And since I'm dealing a lot with business "folks" I thought it might be nice to have a shinier watch. Sue me.

Maybe because you work in "biotech" it's a little different, or your manufacturing setup is quite cut-and-dry in terms of layout or something, but the way my plant is designed and the areas my operators have to be at any given time I would need ~1,000+ clocks in my plant to accommodate them not having to have a watch. Additionally, a lot of use of our watches is from not only the time/date, but also as a stopwatch. That comes in handy at least once a week for us. Hell just yesterday I had to climb on top of a 6,000 gallon reactor while it was running to count a valve stroke cycle -> bam, my watch sure came in handy.

Our PPE has never been restrictive/conflicting with anyone wearing a watch. Including full airline respirator HAZMAT suits. But maybe that's just a difference between our industries.

The main purpose of not allowing smartphones on our site is because their not explosion-proof devices, and they can be an ignition source.
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Old Dec 6, 2014 | 11:05 PM
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^

That bit wasn't directed at you. i was answering multiple things in reference to how our "tools" are really used then added to it. Anyway, we've gone way off here. That said, your $150 watch example proves my point as well for cases where a watch is needed.

And yes, our industries are different. PPE for the techs in the facility has gowns that cover all the way down to the wrists. fitted gloves then go over the wrist cuffs. You're not supposed to touch your gown or any of your other PPE, if you do, you need to undo your gloves and re-glove. In some cases, it increases the possibility of acquiring an infection.

Where time is crucial, and it is a lot of the time, there are 4 channel timers littered through the production floor which get PMed and replaced annually. The facility provides you with the tools you need to do your job...
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Old Dec 7, 2014 | 10:44 AM
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I don't need a watch to tell me what time it is - I'm married.




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Old Dec 7, 2014 | 11:00 AM
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I don't need a watch to tell me what time it is - I'm married.
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Old Dec 8, 2014 | 05:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Bullwings

Measurable performance differences. Will a Prius turn the same lap times as my s2000 at the track? No.

Will an $800 Dell outlet computer run the newest first Person shooter at the same Frame Rate and clarity as an Alienware computer with all of the graphics specs and lighting turned to the max settings? No

Will a Rolex watch MEASURABLY tell time better than my smart phone to a degree that is perceptibly useful to me? No

The s2000 is a cheap sports car by most measurable standards, especially a used one, which is exactly what I bought. It's a Honduuuuhhhh and is hardly impressive to most people. In fact, the vast majority of people at work would view the Honduuuuuuuh as a "RICERRRRRRR" vehicle and isn't impressing anyone. Had I wanted to impress my co-workers with a sports car, I would have Purchased a Boxster, which is around the same price and carries the Porsche badge and "wow" to go with it. Yes, by most measurable standards on the track and for reliability, it is an inferior vehicle.

My point and case still stands. Thanks for pointing out my USEFUL s2000, which is probably the best bang for buck track car mix of driving dynamics, feel, reliability, and performance. i bought the car to use a track vehicle, and it has performed exceptionally well at that task over the last 35+ track days that i've done in the last 4 years. I don't think anyone is impressed by the vehicle. Did I mention that it was a Honda, and that no one is impressed by it except for 18 year old kids?
Dells owns alienware. That and alienware hardware price per dollar compared to building it yourself is higher lol.
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Old Dec 8, 2014 | 08:18 AM
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