Class Action, to come?
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Class Action, to come?
Jabreal LLB.
Suite B
9999 Somestreet
Somecity, Georgia 30043
Telephone (678) --- * ----
Facsimile (678) --- * ----
May 29, 2003
LEGAL NOTICE
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RE: CASE ---*----*---- / 2001 Honda S2000, et. al.
American Honda Motor Corporation, LLC
700 Vanness Ave
Torrance, California 90501
Dear Sir and Madam:
As a result of your company
Suite B
9999 Somestreet
Somecity, Georgia 30043
Telephone (678) --- * ----
Facsimile (678) --- * ----
May 29, 2003
LEGAL NOTICE
COPYRIGHT PROTECTED
NOT FOR PUBLICATION OR OTHER USE
RE: CASE ---*----*---- / 2001 Honda S2000, et. al.
American Honda Motor Corporation, LLC
700 Vanness Ave
Torrance, California 90501
Dear Sir and Madam:
As a result of your company
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To ultimate lurker and all others who may feel this is not justified, please consult with other members of this forum such as:
fast-miami
dhess
toofast4u
joes2k
Barry Wohl
autoexEx
Kizneda
The list goes on, specific to engine failure related to cylinder #4. These members represent a small percentile of the many others who've experienced this exact failure. After reviewing the many probelms with cylinder #4 for over 1.5 years, I am inclined to believe this is a legitimate issue to be addressed, and that is "justified".
fast-miami
dhess
toofast4u
joes2k
Barry Wohl
autoexEx
Kizneda
The list goes on, specific to engine failure related to cylinder #4. These members represent a small percentile of the many others who've experienced this exact failure. After reviewing the many probelms with cylinder #4 for over 1.5 years, I am inclined to believe this is a legitimate issue to be addressed, and that is "justified".
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i'm sure that you're having a problem(s) with you car, but that bit at the end,
"To those who are in disbelief, please feel free to followup with me at jabrealj@yahoo.com in a few weeks to get a status, as I will be happy to provide you with more detailed information. To all others who may/may not have interest/accessory to the malfunctions, and/or problems with the S2k, I don't quite understand your benefit in supporting such an untruth(referring to krazik). Maybe you should have a look-see at the Magnuson-Moss Warranty act (15 U.S.C Chapter 50, section 2301 - 2312)"
, sounds a little nuts to me. i don't think that many/any people have a clue as to what you're talking about... you have posted a grand total of 14 times, prior to this manifesto. you've gone to the trouble of writing this letter, creating a topic and making a post, yet you DON'T mention what the specifics of the problem(s) and what Honda has failed to do!!!
"To those who are in disbelief, please feel free to followup with me at jabrealj@yahoo.com in a few weeks to get a status, as I will be happy to provide you with more detailed information. To all others who may/may not have interest/accessory to the malfunctions, and/or problems with the S2k, I don't quite understand your benefit in supporting such an untruth(referring to krazik). Maybe you should have a look-see at the Magnuson-Moss Warranty act (15 U.S.C Chapter 50, section 2301 - 2312)"
, sounds a little nuts to me. i don't think that many/any people have a clue as to what you're talking about... you have posted a grand total of 14 times, prior to this manifesto. you've gone to the trouble of writing this letter, creating a topic and making a post, yet you DON'T mention what the specifics of the problem(s) and what Honda has failed to do!!!
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I am glad someone is doing something about the abuse of power that some Honda dealers and district managers have shown.
People have been denied coverage on items based on false assumptions and profiling even though the problems have been well documented. In some cases people have been denied warranty without any proof or inspection of the components that were damaged. This isn't good service.
I am still unsure if the problem is bad training, no proper preparation, the inability to service a vehicle like the S2000 and it's clientele or if it's just a decision by the accounting department to deny certain cases in a money saving effort.
I believe part of the problem is due to Honda products being very good to a point where they, so far, have been selling themselves and keeping market share that way. It is clear to me that the sales and service departments, American (Canadian) Honda motors is not properly equipped or is unwilling to properly serve a client base of vehicles of such caliber.
I find it disgusting that such a masterpiece vehicle devalued in my eyes by the service I received in all but one dealership throughout my three years of S2000 ownership. Although I wasn't denied warranty for anything, the pain, wasted time caused and lack of effort by certain dealerships to LISTEN, diagnose or respect me as an S2000 owner was enough for me to move towards selling this vehicle.
The way I see it, this is the first front engine / rear drive layout that Honda has produced in a while. There were bound to be problems that weren't addressed properly before production. They should be more willing to warranty items and think of the costs incurred as R&D. This is obviously not the case.
The experience has not soured me to a point that I will no longer purchase another Honda. If I do purchase one though, it will most probably not be a first year model and it will be because of the good service and ability to listen and respect I received from the last dealership I started servicing the car at just before I sold the vehicle.
I know of owners who have been wrongfully accused of abuse and denied warranty by dealerships that have suffered though months of difficult times as a result of it.
It is too bad that the company fails to realize the importance of goodwill on the long term image of the corporation. Cars won't sell themselves forever.
For those of you who are currently going through problems, I wish you good luck. Hopefully management will realize the importance and attention to detail that is necessary in servicing an "enthusiast-owned" vehicle.
People have been denied coverage on items based on false assumptions and profiling even though the problems have been well documented. In some cases people have been denied warranty without any proof or inspection of the components that were damaged. This isn't good service.
I am still unsure if the problem is bad training, no proper preparation, the inability to service a vehicle like the S2000 and it's clientele or if it's just a decision by the accounting department to deny certain cases in a money saving effort.
I believe part of the problem is due to Honda products being very good to a point where they, so far, have been selling themselves and keeping market share that way. It is clear to me that the sales and service departments, American (Canadian) Honda motors is not properly equipped or is unwilling to properly serve a client base of vehicles of such caliber.
I find it disgusting that such a masterpiece vehicle devalued in my eyes by the service I received in all but one dealership throughout my three years of S2000 ownership. Although I wasn't denied warranty for anything, the pain, wasted time caused and lack of effort by certain dealerships to LISTEN, diagnose or respect me as an S2000 owner was enough for me to move towards selling this vehicle.
The way I see it, this is the first front engine / rear drive layout that Honda has produced in a while. There were bound to be problems that weren't addressed properly before production. They should be more willing to warranty items and think of the costs incurred as R&D. This is obviously not the case.
The experience has not soured me to a point that I will no longer purchase another Honda. If I do purchase one though, it will most probably not be a first year model and it will be because of the good service and ability to listen and respect I received from the last dealership I started servicing the car at just before I sold the vehicle.
I know of owners who have been wrongfully accused of abuse and denied warranty by dealerships that have suffered though months of difficult times as a result of it.
It is too bad that the company fails to realize the importance of goodwill on the long term image of the corporation. Cars won't sell themselves forever.
For those of you who are currently going through problems, I wish you good luck. Hopefully management will realize the importance and attention to detail that is necessary in servicing an "enthusiast-owned" vehicle.
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Though some choose to bath in ignorance,,,,,
Ace10, I'm happy to see your so in tune with current events, and the number of post i've contributed to this board in 200plus days. Obviously, i've left an impression with you at some point, but if you do not, have not, don't intend to understand my concerns, let me be blunt, and it is with hope that basic comprehension visits you,
In the first few postings, I'd made comments/inquiries regarding damage from possibly a loose spark plug, and showed pictures to reflect such. The next few were simply replies, responses, to questions, etc.
The next couple of times, was regarding the level of customer service I expected, but did not recieve from the Honda dealerships. I have not had much to say since then and all concerns related to such have been in the form of taking notes and asking questions of others who'd experienced similiar problems, with mostly the same, and sometimes different results.
My attempt is merely to have AHM take ownership, and comply with items covered per the manufacturers agreement. The S2k is one of Honda's most expensive, highest rated vehicles. When you illicit materials, documents, brochures, that preach things to the effect of how much this vehicle "loves to be driven", yet when these specs are not met, please do the responsible thing.
The S2k does not redline at 9000rpms', at least not the 2001 model. As stated previously, this has been tested, and the allegation that it does, is not true and/or accurate. If you don't believe me, have a go at it, as a matter of fact, from all indications to this point, have a go at high 7's, and get back to me, with your enlightened perspectives.
Ace10, I'm happy to see your so in tune with current events, and the number of post i've contributed to this board in 200plus days. Obviously, i've left an impression with you at some point, but if you do not, have not, don't intend to understand my concerns, let me be blunt, and it is with hope that basic comprehension visits you,
In the first few postings, I'd made comments/inquiries regarding damage from possibly a loose spark plug, and showed pictures to reflect such. The next few were simply replies, responses, to questions, etc.
The next couple of times, was regarding the level of customer service I expected, but did not recieve from the Honda dealerships. I have not had much to say since then and all concerns related to such have been in the form of taking notes and asking questions of others who'd experienced similiar problems, with mostly the same, and sometimes different results.
My attempt is merely to have AHM take ownership, and comply with items covered per the manufacturers agreement. The S2k is one of Honda's most expensive, highest rated vehicles. When you illicit materials, documents, brochures, that preach things to the effect of how much this vehicle "loves to be driven", yet when these specs are not met, please do the responsible thing.
The S2k does not redline at 9000rpms', at least not the 2001 model. As stated previously, this has been tested, and the allegation that it does, is not true and/or accurate. If you don't believe me, have a go at it, as a matter of fact, from all indications to this point, have a go at high 7's, and get back to me, with your enlightened perspectives.
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No disrespect but, I don't think you checked to recent, or ever.
To all indications thus far, I am the author of this document, and can publish it to whosoever I choose. Very honestly, this passage is more of a procedural template that applies itself to most all notices I create, personally, and/or professionally, and in the case of this website, indicative of poor prooffing.
Additionally, i've provided my first name, which appears to be a pattern you yourself follow. I think a name like "Jabreal" precludes any last name, as I don't think there are others here, who share the commonality.
To all indications thus far, I am the author of this document, and can publish it to whosoever I choose. Very honestly, this passage is more of a procedural template that applies itself to most all notices I create, personally, and/or professionally, and in the case of this website, indicative of poor prooffing.
Additionally, i've provided my first name, which appears to be a pattern you yourself follow. I think a name like "Jabreal" precludes any last name, as I don't think there are others here, who share the commonality.
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when i see a thread called "CLASS ACTION, TO COME?" i would expect a little more detail than a cut'n paste of a letter sent to AHM. i pointed out that you have posted 14 times because your not an active participant in discussions. if you're a lurker then so be it, but if you don't participate, then you can't expect others to have direct knowledge of YOUR situation. you created a BOLD title to this topic. there were parts of your first post that made ZERO sense, to me at least. i actually acknowlegded the fact that you are probably having real problems with YOUR honda.
don't worry i'm not tracking or stalking you. you can look up the basic stats of guests and member by clicking on the "profile" button. i cannot say whether i have ever seen one of your previous posts, although your writing style is easy recognized, now that i have seen it two or three times. to be honest, your initial post reads like a boiler plate demand letter and your s2ki account shows you to be an enthusiast not an owner. combine the two and it's not too difficult to dismiss your initial post as a ploy by a lawyer to stir the pot, or something along those lines. you are obviously very impassioned about the issue, so i don't think that money is the real driver behind your efforts.
i'm not hijacking your thread, but if you want to make a point, if is MOST helpful to clearly and COHERENTLY state the facts. whether they are specific service issues, tsb's, AHM's responses or whatever.
when honda receives this letter, they are going to be as clueless as any average reader on this board. the body of the letter fails to deliver any specific mention of the issues and i see no reference to an attachment that would contain the same.
if you feel that you have been wronged by AHM, by all means, us any and all avenues at your disposal. i just hope that your cc'd counsel is able to resolve the matter in a way that is cost-effective to you.
don't worry i'm not tracking or stalking you. you can look up the basic stats of guests and member by clicking on the "profile" button. i cannot say whether i have ever seen one of your previous posts, although your writing style is easy recognized, now that i have seen it two or three times. to be honest, your initial post reads like a boiler plate demand letter and your s2ki account shows you to be an enthusiast not an owner. combine the two and it's not too difficult to dismiss your initial post as a ploy by a lawyer to stir the pot, or something along those lines. you are obviously very impassioned about the issue, so i don't think that money is the real driver behind your efforts.
i'm not hijacking your thread, but if you want to make a point, if is MOST helpful to clearly and COHERENTLY state the facts. whether they are specific service issues, tsb's, AHM's responses or whatever.
when honda receives this letter, they are going to be as clueless as any average reader on this board. the body of the letter fails to deliver any specific mention of the issues and i see no reference to an attachment that would contain the same.
if you feel that you have been wronged by AHM, by all means, us any and all avenues at your disposal. i just hope that your cc'd counsel is able to resolve the matter in a way that is cost-effective to you.