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Need information about Honda to win an argument.
A colleague of mine swears that Honda still uses other manufacturer
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_Passport
It was a partnership Izusu and Honda had in the past. Companies team up all the time to rebadge each other's vehicles. It's a very common practice, and I have no doubt your friend's car's manufacturer has been involved in a similar business venture. The current passport is passed on the Accord chassis. The CR-V is loosely based on the Civic. The Element is based on the CR-V. A few of the cars share engines. After reading the wikipedia pages of all the current Honda line-up, I can only assume that the other vehicles were designed from scratch (i.e. S2000). |
The Isuzu Rodeo was rebadged as a Passport and the Trooper was rebadged as the Acura SLX. Neither vehicle looked or felt like a Honda, even though Honda redesigned the interior on the Rodeo before they would sell it as a Honda.
The Honda rebadges were not good deals, especially when you consider that the Isuzu versions came with a 10 year/100k mile powertrain warranty. IIRC the whole deal was ordered by the Japanese Ministry of Trade to help Isuzu out. Isuzu got some of the first gen Odysseys to sell as part of that deal, too. I can't think of any others. I always thought it was weird that GM was using Honda engines in VUEs. The rumor was that Honda would receive V8s from GM in return but obviously that never happened. |
Originally Posted by Karl O.,Jul 9 2007, 05:50 PM
I can't think of any others. I always thought it was weird that GM was using Honda engines in VUEs. The rumor was that Honda would receive V8s from GM in return but obviously that never happened.
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Ya the Passport and SLX were the only cars Honda ever borrowed from anyone else. The Odyssey I always thought was made by Isuzu, but I guess it makes sense that Honda designed it, considering that Isuzu has always been a truck company with only 2 real attempts at cars (Impulse, I-Mark/Stylus).
God that SLX was the worst decision the brand ever made. |
Easy answer:
All Honda engines now have VTEC. Only Honda manufactures VTEC. |
[QUOTE=Lice Locket,Jul 9 2007, 10:43 PM] Easy answer:
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Anyone remember the Sterling which was a rebadged Legend back in the late 80's ?
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Originally Posted by Slamnasty,Jul 10 2007, 01:20 AM
The Odyssey I always thought was made by Isuzu, but I guess it makes sense that Honda designed it, considering that Isuzu has always been a truck company with only 2 real attempts at cars (Impulse, I-Mark/Stylus).
Isuzu is a really well respected manufacturer of passenger cars in other parts of the world. And they did most of the development of GM's Duramax engines. Their cars have always been a little quirky for this market to find much success. The GEO Storm was a rebadged Isuzu that was sold here as an Impulse for a while. The turbo versions weren't too bad but the quality was never up to Honda or Toyota levels. |
Originally Posted by Popeye,Jul 10 2007, 05:09 AM
Anyone remember the Sterling which was a rebadged Legend back in the late 80's ?
The Legend was always respected for its value and quality and dependability, not necessarily because it was a better driver than a BMW or Mercedes. The Sterling was cursed with crappy British electricals and assembly quality. So what you got was a car with a ho-hum, uninspiring drivetrain and poor assembly quality and electrical nightmares. There's a winning combination. :D |
Originally Posted by Karl O.,Jul 9 2007, 05:50 PM
IIRC the whole deal was ordered by the Japanese Ministry of Trade to help Isuzu out. Isuzu got some of the first gen Odysseys to sell as part of that deal, too.
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Originally Posted by RamVA,Jul 10 2007, 10:35 AM
It was done because Honda had no trucks/SUVs for its US dealers to sell. Once the Pilot and MDX came along it was no longer necessary.
The JMIT pretty much tells companies what they are and are not allowed to manufacture and export; the Japanese economy is tightly regulated by the government. In some ways they try to prevent too much overlap between products. Hell, Honda barely got away with manufacturing cars to begin with. The Japanese government wanted Honda to concentrate on motorcycles and small engines for machines that could help rebuild Japan after WWII. There was little or no support from the government for his manufacturing efforts. |
I believed that the 1st gen Odyssey were rebadged Isuzu Oasis.
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Originally Posted by ssfiit,Jul 10 2007, 11:46 PM
I believed that the 1st gen Odyssey were rebadged Isuzu Oasis.
For several years, Honda has been purchasing Rodeo sport utilities from Isuzu, and rebadging them as the Honda Passport. Honda dealers were clamoring for an SUV, and rather than wait for engineers to develop a new model from scratch, the company forged a relationship with Isuzu. Starting last year, Honda also began selling an upscale version of the Isuzu Trooper as the Acura SLX, to capitalize on the booming luxury-SUV market. To reciprocate the favor, Honda allows Isuzu to rebadge a Japanese-market sedan for sale across the Pacific, and has donated the slow-selling Odyssey minivan to fill a niche in Isuzu's U.S. lineup. The Oasis has a different grille, different wheels, and an Isuzu-embossed steering wheel center hub. The Oasis is actually a better deal than the Odyssey, mainly because Isuzu offers a more comprehensive warranty, and the few options available are priced by the factory, not individual dealers, which reduces the dealer's ability to rip off the consumer. Powered by a strong 2.2-liter four-cylinder engine and featuring four conventional doors, the Oasis scores well in government crash tests, and offers side-impact protection that meets 1998 passenger car standards. Antilock brakes are standard equipment. The Oasis S can accommodate up to seven passengers, but LS models have center row captain's chairs which reduces capacity to six. The third-row bench seat folds forward, flips backwards for tailgate parties, or folds away into the floor to create a flat load floor. With seats removed and folded, the LS model can hold up to 102.5 cubic feet of cargo. Despite the distinct lack of V-6 power, we think the Oasis offers solid value as a family wagon. It's roomy, attractive, and well-equipped. Best of all, prices are in line with the new Ford Taurus and Mercury Sable station wagons, as well as the Volkswagen Passat Wagon. Oasis offers more versatility and cargo capacity than any of these competitors, an excellent warranty, and proven Honda mechanicals. What's not to like? |
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