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ElTianti 02-15-2006 04:05 PM

Seperated at birth?
 
http://www.carphotoalbums.com/photos..._si_06-med.jpg

http://www.motorcities.com/media/ima...-UK-A-640.jpeg

Yet the EP gets no love.

stewies2k 02-15-2006 04:48 PM

i agree. the GTI is almost a carbon copy of the old Civic Si hatch

Vlad 02-15-2006 05:32 PM

Look very similar, but I don't really like either one. Just not a big fan of hacthbacks.

Quick2K 02-15-2006 06:16 PM

God, the wheels on the GTi are awful. It's so obvious that they raised the ride height for the american market...it's got that "yeah, I got rims but the springs I want are on backorder" look, straight off the showroom floor. I agree about the similarities to the EP hatch, too...

Quick2k

ha-evolution 02-15-2006 07:34 PM

Definately looke similar. New Si looks much better than both.

aggie 02-16-2006 07:22 AM

I know this GTI will be a good car (stock 17" wheels look better), but the 2-door hatchback looks cheap, just like the Honda. The 4-dr GTI and Audi A3 get my vote.

aklucsarits 02-16-2006 07:24 AM

They are both horrendously ugly. But the Civic is slightly more hideous looking than the VW.

Andrew

SpeedxRacer 02-16-2006 07:24 AM

The EP got no love because it was a slow heavy mini van. The GTI comes standard with 17" wheels and more power.

They are both hideous.

jsalicru 02-16-2006 07:37 AM

I test drove a DSG equipped GTI just 3 days ago. I thought it was quite nice actually. The exterior does have a certain blandness to it, especially in the rear, where at least half the bumper is black. If those things were addressed (aka painted) then it would look better. The little details are there and I think it looks quite nice. I wouldn't mind trading in my EK Si for it. Too bad I don't wanna make another car payment.

The interior is a very nice place to be. The only thing I didn't like is that they had some of the engine noise DELIBERATELY routed to the cabin... if it was a VR6 then I'd be happy, but the 2.0 doesn't exactly sing a nice song.

The DSG... wow, that thing is SO smooth and quick. Pretty surprising really, especially after driving several M3 SMGII in the past. My only issue with it is that you feel detached from the car. More so than even in the M3 SMG. If I really was considering the car I think I would have to get an extended drive in both to make up my mind. I love to row my own gears and throw perfect heel-and-toes on a daily basis.

Handling is really nice too. The car does look 4x4 like when stock. However, the ride is surprisingly firm, which is a very nice departure from the woobly GTI MKIV and even the MKIII.

Frankly, I'd take the GTi over the Si. I havent driven the Si, but the torque , dual climate control, heated seats, nice leather, HIDs, and all the little touches here and there just do it for me much more than the Honda. IMO, the Honda feels a little spartan in comparison.

Oh yeah, and the stock 17s are decent looking.. somewhat BBS CH looking, but not.

Euclid 02-16-2006 08:18 AM

I drove a GTI the other day as well..

The car is a red GTI with with DSG, the 18" wheels and package #1 which gives you the sunroof and satelite radio. Sticker is about $25,700. I would not get the 18" wheel option since I think the 18" wheels are ugly as hell. The stock 17" wheels are n^th times better looking.

The cloth seats are definitely not as bolstered as the leather seats, but they are very nice none-the-less. The audio system sounds better than the LGT's stereo.

The car is picks up and goes very well. It feels fast. The brakes grab so much earlier and better than the LGT I now understand why people complain about the Legacy's brakes. It's not that the LGT's brakes are bad, they're just different. The car is fun to toss into the corners. It has less understeer than I thought it would, also I didn't notice any torque steer.
Now on to the DSG. That thing ****ing rocks. I drove the car in full auto, auto/sport and full manual. For daily driving the auto/sport mode is perfect. It seemlessly shifts, and does a very good job of guessing what you're going to do next. It likes to keep the car in the optimum powerband. Like I was in sport mode on the freeway and shifted it into 6th, and after 15 seconds or so it shifted down to 4th to keep the rpms up just in case I wanted to gun it. In full auto mode it would just stay in 6th. I can't get over how smooth the upshifts are. It's infinitely better than the ferrari's I've driven. Which I guess is the point of the dual clutch system.

Some things I didn't like, are the sunglass holder by the sunroof control rattled when I went over bumps, which I'm hoping is a fluke with the car I drove. Also when you have the sunroof open it's very loud in the cabin. It's like the air is not going over the sunroof but being drawn into the rear seats of the car and causing this loud whooosh sound. The wheel gap is rediculous. (see pic) I think mod #1 for every buyer should be suspension.

After spending a good 30 minutes driving the car around, I would defnintely drive one. It's quiet, smooth, and has the typical nice VW interior. Now we just need to see if VW's claim to have started building a better, more reliable car is true.

http://celicaman.f0e.net/albums/mkvgti/DSCN3850sm.jpg

http://celicaman.f0e.net/albums/mkvgti/DSCN3851sm.jpg

http://celicaman.f0e.net/albums/mkvgti/DSCN3855sm.jpg

http://celicaman.f0e.net/albums/mkvgti/DSCN3852sm.jpg

http://celicaman.f0e.net/albums/mkvgti/DSCN3853sm.jpg

http://celicaman.f0e.net/albums/mkvgti/DSCN3859sm.jpg

http://celicaman.f0e.net/albums/mkvgti/DSCN3861sm.jpg

http://celicaman.f0e.net/albums/mkvgti/DSCN3862sm.jpg

Enough wheel gap to hide a baby in.
http://celicaman.f0e.net/albums/mkvgti/DSCN3858sm.jpg

ElTianti 02-16-2006 08:50 AM

In defense of the EP Civic Si, since I own one (2005)

Prior to 2006 model it was the fastest, most powerful Civic Si to be offered in the US. Its engine isn

jsalicru 02-16-2006 09:12 AM


Originally Posted by Euclid,Feb 16 2006, 09:18 AM
I drove a GTI the other day as well..

LOL, I read your review and realized they were out... that's why I went to check it out, haha.

You posted this a couple of days ago on LegacyGT.com

jsalicru 02-16-2006 09:18 AM


Originally Posted by Euclid,Feb 16 2006, 09:18 AM
Some things I didn't like, are the sunglass holder by the sunroof control rattled when I went over bumps, which I'm hoping is a fluke with the car I drove. Also when you have the sunroof open it's very loud in the cabin. It's like the air is not going over the sunroof but being drawn into the rear seats of the car and causing this loud whooosh sound. The wheel gap is rediculous. (see pic) I think mod #1 for every buyer should be suspension.

The rattle was a thing with the car you drove :) The one I drove a DSG w/ leather, dual climate control, heated seats, etc.. didn't have that rattle.


I'd say the "S" mode on the tranny is pretty much good for a canyon run.. its very rev happy.

The one rant I have is the bluetooth phone button.. with no bluetooth option for the car. I REALLY hope they address that soon.

vtec9 02-16-2006 09:34 AM

The US GTI was raised up in order to get the 5 star side impact crash rating.

There are similaries, but the GTI looks 3-5 times better.

cfusionpm 02-16-2006 10:20 AM

[QUOTE=ElTianti,Feb 16 2006, 09:50 AM] Its MSRP was too high, but I drove home in my for $16.5 + TTL.

ElTianti 02-16-2006 10:24 AM

[QUOTE=cfusionpm,Feb 16 2006, 11:20 AM] that falls right into tC territory.

cfusionpm 02-16-2006 10:36 AM

[QUOTE=ElTianti,Feb 16 2006, 11:24 AM] The TC is better looking and has more torque, but it

Slamnasty 02-16-2006 10:57 AM

I like both cars, but I don't think the EP Si had any bearing whatsoever on VW's net GTI.

VW has a very long hatch history, and the new one plays off the styling of the old one. It's like pickup trucks: they all generally look big, heavy and tough. Hatches have a specific look too so they're hard to copy. About the most unique hatchback ever was the S52/54 BMW Z/M coupe.

stockae92 02-17-2006 11:29 AM

i wonder how well will the DSG hold up

jsalicru 02-17-2006 11:35 AM

DSG equipped cars have been out for a little bit in Europe.

Nin009 02-17-2006 01:23 PM

...and in the TT for a full model year.

PoweredByCamry 02-17-2006 03:59 PM

I dunno, I think the new GTI looks awesome, much more aggressive and modern than the last 3 generations. To each his own I guess.

Peter

FrostyWinters 02-17-2006 04:54 PM

VW = rattle city.

My Jetta GLI rattles like a metal cage on an old pickup truck. It doesn't even have 10000 miles on it! The Golf TDI rattles less, probably due to softer suspension and taller tires. At least it gets decent mileage.

I am done with VWs. Can't wait for the day I get the S. :)

jsalicru 02-17-2006 08:39 PM


Originally Posted by FrostyWinters,Feb 17 2006, 05:54 PM
VW = rattle city.

My Jetta GLI rattles like a metal cage on an old pickup truck. It doesn't even have 10000 miles on it! The Golf TDI rattles less, probably due to softer suspension and taller tires. At least it gets decent mileage.

I am done with VWs. Can't wait for the day I get the S. :)

wow, what a great, ignorant post.

your car rattles, therefore VW is rattle city?

Had a VR6 with 268 cams and hardened mounts... not a single rattle... then again... the only problem I ever had involved a window.

Before that I had another modded VR6 (Jetta).. mostly suspension wise... again.. not a problem, not a rattle...

My stepsister has a 01 Jetta with 60k on it... living in bumpy as hell Puerto Rico... again... not a single problem...

Your isolated problem.. shouldn't mean that VW is crap.

Try out a 911 with the full leather package... prepare to hear creaks and what not everywhere.. you don't hear people say it sucks..

Better yet, try an M3 convertible... see if you can live with the top noises for even 5 minutes.. I haven't heard the screaming complaints..

ssmAP1 02-17-2006 09:08 PM

the GTi can grow on me, but im most def a Honda head. The reliability of the car out takes everything else in my mind. sure you can buy a used EP3 and throw a turbo kit on it and make it as fast if not faster than the GTi, i love the simplicity of HONDA its all RAW and nothing more than what is needed- IMO.

i wrote more but deleted it i dont want to start any big debate, ^ just my opinion

slicksilver 02-17-2006 10:28 PM

Contrary to everyone else, I really like the 'cookie cutter' 18 inch wheels...

Shark 02-18-2006 08:59 AM

There's not a chance in hell that the EP3 Si insipired the redesigned GTI. If anything can be said about German designs, it's that they are original and often imitated.

Here are some pics of my '02 Si. It's a great daily driver that handles like a go cart with the right mods. If it only had the K20A2...

http://home.comcast.net/~dmk0122/si/Si-Front.JPG

http://home.comcast.net/~dmk0122/si/Si-Front2.JPG

http://home.comcast.net/~dmk0122/si/Si-Back.JPG

http://home.comcast.net/~dmk0122/si/Si-Back2.JPG

Here are my mods:

Mugen Sport Suspension
O.Z. Superturismo GT (16x7)
Bridgestone Potenza RE750 205/50WR16
Comptech 22mm Rear Sway Bar/Tie Bar
Hawk HPS Street Brake Pads
PowerSlot Rotors (front)
K&N Filter

slicksilver 02-18-2006 07:12 PM

[QUOTE=Shark,Feb 18 2006, 09:59 AM] There's not a chance in hell that the EP3 Si insipired the redesigned GTI.


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