2 liter Turbos?
12-07-2016, 09:31 AM
#31
And gas wont stay at $2 forever. The expense was not a huge deal to me, I could afford the gas. but when my Highlander was getting 21mpg in the winter and I was at the pump freezing my butt off every week in 10 degrees filling the car next to five other schmucks in their SUV's I just thought there has to be a better way. Now I fill maybe every two weeks and my tank is good to about 450 miles instead of half that. The fact I am paying maybe 30% less for fuel (when the extra cost of premium is figured in) over the Highlander it is just icing on the cake, and I was going to buy a new car anyway.
12-07-2016, 10:33 AM
#32
Thanks to everybody for the perspective and sharing their experiences.
Right now I'm favoring an A4 Quattro with confidence.....BUT
The boss and I are both stick capable and like it in our sportscars, and have recently heard that the A4 may offer one.
Do these busy little 4 bangers need the 7/8 speed autos to be effective and economical? Would we be shifting like crazy around town?
Right now I'm favoring an A4 Quattro with confidence.....BUT
The boss and I are both stick capable and like it in our sportscars, and have recently heard that the A4 may offer one.
Do these busy little 4 bangers need the 7/8 speed autos to be effective and economical? Would we be shifting like crazy around town?
12-07-2016, 11:46 AM
#33
No because they're not really busy little 4 bangers. They make a lot of torque down low and have (generally speaking) very low redlines.
12-07-2016, 12:24 PM
#34
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i had a 2013 bmw 335i m sport sedan with a manual....got allot of "rev hang" and more than one "limp mode", the computer was probably designed for an automatic...anyway it was smooth, powerful, and got me 24 mpg all day.....it was a 3.0 inline 6 cyl.
Now i have a 2016 M3, with manual...it has TWO turbos and an inline 6 cyl...no rev hang....lots more power on tap, not as smooth, and the noise is a subjective noise...some like it and some do not....but it also gets me 23 mpg all days long with more on trips, not up to same mpg as the 335 which was 32 plus, on highway so far i am looking at 27.....turbos are here to stay and with the right setup by bmw or volvo, or even vw you can enjoy 6 cyl power and torque with 4 cyl mpg...
Now i have a 2016 M3, with manual...it has TWO turbos and an inline 6 cyl...no rev hang....lots more power on tap, not as smooth, and the noise is a subjective noise...some like it and some do not....but it also gets me 23 mpg all days long with more on trips, not up to same mpg as the 335 which was 32 plus, on highway so far i am looking at 27.....turbos are here to stay and with the right setup by bmw or volvo, or even vw you can enjoy 6 cyl power and torque with 4 cyl mpg...
12-07-2016, 03:00 PM
#35
I have this same engine as Elistan and it is a fantastic engine. It's successor was mentioned in this month's Ten Best issue. It will get a 3500 pound AWD car to 60 in 5.7 seconds, it never seems to be short on power (even though I have owned much faster cars) and my best mileage on a tank was 38.6 mpg. I get 30mpg pretty much most tanks in mixed driving when temps are above 50 degrees, but I drive it like a sane person. The successor was tested by someone recently (I forget the magazine) and delivered over 40mpg on a 75 mph cruise. My wife's Mazda 3 gets better mileage but at the cost of being slow by comparison. You can still get really good fuel economy without sacrificing performance.
Turbo 4s, in their role as replacements for 6s, are great in an appliance sort of way. They get the job done but sacrifice NVH and (in almost all cases) personality, all while underperforming in their fuel economy ratings. I've got no problem giving up a little oompf down low for the smooth linear acceleration of a 6. Would also prefer buying a CPO car with a 6 than a brand new one with a 4.
True. The 328i was way quicker than anyone really needs for normal driving (this coming from a V8 M3 owner). I really wonder about non-enthusiasts who pony up for the 335i (now 340i) for their daily commute.
12-07-2016, 07:06 PM
#36
And gas wont stay at $2 forever. The expense was not a huge deal to me, I could afford the gas. but when my Highlander was getting 21mpg in the winter and I was at the pump freezing my butt off every week in 10 degrees filling the car next to five other schmucks in their SUV's I just thought there has to be a better way. Now I fill maybe every two weeks and my tank is good to about 450 miles instead of half that. The fact I am paying maybe 30% less for fuel (when the extra cost of premium is figured in) over the Highlander it is just icing on the cake, and I was going to buy a new car anyway.
cheap fuel is the new norm. It only spiked due to OPEC games which drove discovery/dev on shale oil which place us with the largest untapped oil reserves in the world.
you will see spot oil flux but oil is stabilizing. Enjoy it.
12-08-2016, 05:20 AM
#37
Agreed. Baring something incredibly drastic (major world conflict, etc) cheap oil (and thus gasoline) is going to be around for a long time. Anyone else see the huge new oil deposit found in Texas recently? Biggest find ever in the continental US.
08-30-2018, 01:21 PM
#39
Drill baby drill! Crank up the boost on your turbo 4 and let it rip. At 4500 lbs, I want a V8+.
10-19-2018, 01:39 PM
#40
so this is a result of Obamas' executive order which will kick in when fuel price are low. Perfect
Does anyone know about the longevity of these energetic little devils?
Not comfortable putting these hamster wheels in anything bigger than an A4, if that.
I'm also thinking that we'll have low fuel prices for a while and that used larger displacement rides will gain in value
Does anyone know about the longevity of these energetic little devils?
Not comfortable putting these hamster wheels in anything bigger than an A4, if that.
I'm also thinking that we'll have low fuel prices for a while and that used larger displacement rides will gain in value
Last edited by Bamafan; 10-19-2018 at 01:42 PM.
