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2016, er, 2017 Acura NSX aimed at Ferrari 458 for the price of Audi R8

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Old 11-21-2017, 06:20 AM
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Originally Posted by clutchcargo
The comparison is based on personal experience and this being an S2000 forum the last time I noticed

the question was about the NSX motor being over built

yes, I think it is and the relative example was that I didn't think the S2000 motor was over built in a similar manner

i love the look and elegance of the Aston but if I were in the GT zone,an LC500 would be my choice
Just because the Vantage has a swank interior does not make a car a GT. The Vantage is not a GT at all; it's a LeMans winning sports car. It's purest expression of a sports car Aston produces. The V12S is a beast like no other sports offered currently. Minimal driver aids, NA V12, 7 speed dog leg manual... Who else is doing something like that?
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New Vantage announced

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The new Aston Martin Vantage unveiled: Photos, details - Business Insider
Old 11-21-2017, 09:56 AM
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I like the current one better. And 8 speed slush box? I weep.
Old 11-21-2017, 10:07 AM
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Originally Posted by WolfpackS2k
I like the current one better. And 8 speed slush box? I weep.
There will be a manual and a V12 which may also have a 7 speed dog leg manual option. DB11 V8 already has manual option.
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Old 11-28-2017, 11:11 PM
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Originally Posted by TheDonEffect
How is the engine overengineered?
Originally Posted by clutchcargo
The engine was designed to allow them to up the power in the future to (cough) keep up with competition offerings.

i just crossed 5000 miles on mine in about 13 months

at full throttle and above 120 the motor is like la la la

in my s2000 at that pace the engine felt far more stressed
It's over engineered in a sense that it's a bespoke design and is not related to any other Honda engines. It features dry sump lubrication as you'd expect from a car in this segment. It has a unique 75-degree V-angle compared to a traditional 60-degree design. Its crankpin splay angle is down from 60 deg to 45 deg for a stronger and a lighter crankshaft. Crankshaft and con-rods are made of forged steel. The bore is coated with plasma-transferred arc spray to reduce friction. The engine is designed to handle professional racing with little modifications required. In fact, the NSX GT3's 3.5-liter engine has the same design specs as the production NSX, including the block, heads, valve train, crankshaft, pistons, and dry-sump lubrication system.

In its current form, as mentioned by clutchcargo, the engine seems quite at ease. It "only" peaks at 15psi to make its 500hp, which is pretty darn low for any car, especially one at 143hp/L. For comparison, the 911 Turbo S makes 560hp from 3.8L with 17.5psi of boost. And that's 147hp/L. The BMW M4 is at 144hp/L at 19psi.
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Old 11-29-2017, 06:09 AM
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It would have been interesting if Honda released this car with a price range of $120k to $150k, then later released a $200k version with the wick turned up to 20 psi...
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With the $30k incentive that they have on the car, the price range you referenced is currently the case

Based on the tepid sales prior to the incentive (which results in Honda losing money on these) I can't see them spending a lot on a version with more oomph let alone the full blown (so to speak) R version

They really need a Targa or Spyderto compete in the segment but there ain't no place to stow the panel or top
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Originally Posted by Elistan
It would have been interesting if Honda released this car with a price range of $120k to $150k, then later released a $200k version with the wick turned up to 20 psi...
Would be nice even better if even less expensive to compete with LC500. The way the top Japanese coupes are priced, there is not direct competition between the brands. GTR, LC500, Supra (upcoming), and NSX are all at different price points.
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Haha, which goes back to what I was saying, if Honda didn't change the whole layout and powertrain of the NSX development, may be it would have been around $100k instead for a 400hp J35 NA hybrid car.
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Originally Posted by clutchcargo
With the $30k incentive that they have on the car, the price range you referenced is currently the case
Indeed. And with the anecdotal response to the incentive that I'm seeing, it appears Honda should have released at that price to begin with.

Based on the tepid sales prior to the incentive (which results in Honda losing money on these) I can't see them spending a lot on a version with more oomph let alone the full blown (so to speak) R version
Hmm, I dunno - hard to say how folks would have responded to a 700 hp version...

They really need a Targa or Spyderto compete in the segment but there ain't no place to stow the panel or top
Perhaps a glass top that slides under the rear window, kinda like how the 911 Targa does it.



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