2016, er, 2017 Acura NSX aimed at Ferrari 458 for the price of Audi R8
12-04-2017, 10:51 AM
#2442
Another person who thinks HP is everything and is angry because Honda choose not to build the car he/she wanted. I mean what is more important to Honda? Pleasing a small group of people who argues on forums who may not purchase the cars anyway or invest money on technologies that can be implemented in future production cars that can benefit the masses a.k.a. pleasing wall street.
Sure, build 700+ hp super cars that is what Honda is about.
12-04-2017, 03:43 PM
#2443
12-04-2017, 03:55 PM
#2444
The project clearly had issues, most of which appear to have been from Honda's plan for what the Gen2 would be.
The HSC timing would have avoided a big gap in having an NSX in the market. But Honda aimed the car too low in terms of performance, they got crapped on in a major way and canned it (Strike 1).
Some years later they willed out the F/R V10 prototype, seemed like a low cost LFA and then they said it didn't meet performance target and they dumped it (Strike 2).
A few years later, out comes the mid/rear car with the transverse drivetrain and that doesn't meet performance targets and can't offer better future performance due to packaging and they decided to go another way (Strike 3).
Then the longitudinal drivetrain is developed and the car is launched (the 4th version in my mind).
For many years we heard folks clammer for the new car, Honda Japan didn't adequately support the program, Honda US kept pushing to move it forward and some how got it done.
With a history like that, tough to have a major success at the end of the day.
The HSC timing would have avoided a big gap in having an NSX in the market. But Honda aimed the car too low in terms of performance, they got crapped on in a major way and canned it (Strike 1).
Some years later they willed out the F/R V10 prototype, seemed like a low cost LFA and then they said it didn't meet performance target and they dumped it (Strike 2).
A few years later, out comes the mid/rear car with the transverse drivetrain and that doesn't meet performance targets and can't offer better future performance due to packaging and they decided to go another way (Strike 3).
Then the longitudinal drivetrain is developed and the car is launched (the 4th version in my mind).
For many years we heard folks clammer for the new car, Honda Japan didn't adequately support the program, Honda US kept pushing to move it forward and some how got it done.
With a history like that, tough to have a major success at the end of the day.
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LUV2REV (12-04-2017)
12-04-2017, 04:02 PM
#2445
The project clearly had issues, most of which appear to have been from Honda's plan for what the Gen2 would be.
The HSC timing would have avoided a big gap in having an NSX in the market. But Honda aimed the car too low in terms of performance, they got crapped on in a major way and canned it (Strike 1).
Some years later they willed out the F/R V10 prototype, seemed like a low cost LFA and then they said it didn't meet performance target and they dumped it (Strike 2).
A few years later, out comes the mid/rear car with the transverse drivetrain and that doesn't meet performance targets and can't offer better future performance due to packaging and they decided to go another way (Strike 3).
Then the longitudinal drivetrain is developed and the car is launched (the 4th version in my mind).
For many years we heard folks clammer for the new car, Honda Japan didn't adequately support the program, Honda US kept pushing to move it forward and some how got it done.
With a history like that, tough to have a major success at the end of the day.
The HSC timing would have avoided a big gap in having an NSX in the market. But Honda aimed the car too low in terms of performance, they got crapped on in a major way and canned it (Strike 1).
Some years later they willed out the F/R V10 prototype, seemed like a low cost LFA and then they said it didn't meet performance target and they dumped it (Strike 2).
A few years later, out comes the mid/rear car with the transverse drivetrain and that doesn't meet performance targets and can't offer better future performance due to packaging and they decided to go another way (Strike 3).
Then the longitudinal drivetrain is developed and the car is launched (the 4th version in my mind).
For many years we heard folks clammer for the new car, Honda Japan didn't adequately support the program, Honda US kept pushing to move it forward and some how got it done.
With a history like that, tough to have a major success at the end of the day.
I really like the look of the new NSX but loathe hybrid powertrains in performance cars (P1, LaFerrari, 918 included). I would probably love the NSX if it had a naturally aspirated V8/V10 motor or even just the bi-turbo V6 sans the electric crap, a bi-turbo V8 would have been even better.
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WolfpackS2k (12-05-2017)
12-04-2017, 04:32 PM
#2446
I understand the push back regarding the hybrid.
But I can say after about 14 months with the car and 5200 miles, it is a tremendous toy.
So smooth and capable.
Late to market, yes, pricey for Honda power yes, but a great car nonetheless and the owners generally agree on that.
But I can say after about 14 months with the car and 5200 miles, it is a tremendous toy.
So smooth and capable.
Late to market, yes, pricey for Honda power yes, but a great car nonetheless and the owners generally agree on that.
12-04-2017, 04:37 PM
#2447
For the love of God man, can you please update your phone's iOS so we don't have to look at all the weird symbols that your phone is putting out? 
Wouldn't a car with 3 pedals and a shifter give you a more immersive driving experience?
Congrats on car ownership btw, despite any gripes it's still an amazing car in it's own right. Actually saw my first one in the flesh a few nights ago. White. Was driving other direction so it was brief.
Wouldn't a car with 3 pedals and a shifter give you a more immersive driving experience?
Congrats on car ownership btw, despite any gripes it's still an amazing car in it's own right. Actually saw my first one in the flesh a few nights ago. White. Was driving other direction so it was brief.
12-04-2017, 05:35 PM
#2448
Registered User
I haven't posted on the NSX Prime, I have been a member at this forum since 2000. I will check it out, thank you for the heads up.
12-04-2017, 06:56 PM
#2449
Registered User
For the love of God man, can you please update your phone's iOS so we don't have to look at all the weird symbols that your phone is putting out?
Wouldn't a car with 3 pedals and a shifter give you a more immersive driving experience?
Congrats on car ownership btw, despite any gripes it's still an amazing car in it's own right. Actually saw my first one in the flesh a few nights ago. White. Was driving other direction so it was brief.
Wouldn't a car with 3 pedals and a shifter give you a more immersive driving experience?
Congrats on car ownership btw, despite any gripes it's still an amazing car in it's own right. Actually saw my first one in the flesh a few nights ago. White. Was driving other direction so it was brief.
12-04-2017, 09:27 PM
#2450
To the owners of this car, yes I know the car is great as it should be given the cost and niche it serves. My question though is if this car were not a hybrid would that have been a deal breaker? For instance if a prius was not a hybrid that would be a deal breaker because the hybrid system defines that car. In the Laferrari, 918, and p1, the electric motors give an instant power delivery virtually unmatched by gas engines although I'm not too sure about that. In the nsx though it doesn't help the car achieve out of this world performance even in its price segment, may get better gas mileage si was that a selling point, and I wonder how much better it would feel and handle with less weight.