2018/2019 Honda S2000
#21
Keep in mind that Porsche has the highest profit margins (high teens) in the auto industry, despite moving only ~50k cars a year. If Honda wants to match them on specs, there's probably some room left to beat them on price without losing money.
#22
those honda mother f--kers better not make it a hybrid and it better come with 3 pedals. better be on a diet and weigh in under 3000 lbs otherwise i'll have strong words for them honda engineers i will.
Otherwise, I think that concept drawing looks real good! I can't wait to buy a used one.
darcy
Otherwise, I think that concept drawing looks real good! I can't wait to buy a used one.
darcy
Last edited by darcyw; 01-31-2017 at 04:58 PM.
#24
20 years is a long time. can't believe it was that long when I first saw the S2000. Then read about it. Then drove it. what a wonderful car. Good times. Seems like only yesterday.
Not sure if I'm even gonna be in the market for one when it comes out. Depends on the specs/price I guess.
Not sure if I'm even gonna be in the market for one when it comes out. Depends on the specs/price I guess.
#25
I'm with you.
- DCT might help sell more units, but offer a manual transmission too
- 300-ish HP
- Less than 3000lbs.
- Update the style
- Keep it simple like the original. (No nannies, no navigation, keep it a pure sports car)
#26
I'd be disappointed if Honda didn't have something to show for their 70th Anniversary. If it's a new sports car, I'm all for an MR config this time around. No one said the S moniker had to be FR. S660 anyone?
I've heard nothing but praise for the S660. Of course we can't have anything that simple stateside with our regulations, but take a little from little bro S660 (purity) and some from big bro NSX (tech). Voila.
I've heard nothing but praise for the S660. Of course we can't have anything that simple stateside with our regulations, but take a little from little bro S660 (purity) and some from big bro NSX (tech). Voila.
Last edited by urbanglowcam; 01-31-2017 at 08:09 PM.
#27
Yawn. I'll believe it when I see it.
The "sports car" market is saturated with the Miata and clones occupying the bottom end and bulk of the minuscule sales. I don't see this changing. There's a reason only a few two-seaters are made: No one wants to buy them.
A $50,000 Honda?! Honda is an economy car brand, the reason the NSX is an Acura (at least in North America). Guys with NSX-money to spend can buy anything they want. Every couple of years.
Only pure race cars like Formula 1 use manual gearboxes because they're faster. Oh wait! F1 cars use dual clutch paddle shifters?!
Our cars are fading to nostalgic sports cars like the old Brit sports cars many of which remain on the road lovingly maintained.
-- Chuck
The "sports car" market is saturated with the Miata and clones occupying the bottom end and bulk of the minuscule sales. I don't see this changing. There's a reason only a few two-seaters are made: No one wants to buy them.
A $50,000 Honda?! Honda is an economy car brand, the reason the NSX is an Acura (at least in North America). Guys with NSX-money to spend can buy anything they want. Every couple of years.
Only pure race cars like Formula 1 use manual gearboxes because they're faster. Oh wait! F1 cars use dual clutch paddle shifters?!
Our cars are fading to nostalgic sports cars like the old Brit sports cars many of which remain on the road lovingly maintained.
-- Chuck
#28
I would like to explore why the $50k price point is such an issue.
i paid about $35k for my S2000 in 99, going on 18 years ago.
why wouldn't a car that goes toe to to with a current Boxster be ok at $50k?
if they are going after the previous S2000 customers, they will likely want more content and their incomes have climbed since the early 2000s
i paid about $35k for my S2000 in 99, going on 18 years ago.
why wouldn't a car that goes toe to to with a current Boxster be ok at $50k?
if they are going after the previous S2000 customers, they will likely want more content and their incomes have climbed since the early 2000s
#29
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A base Boxster is $56k and delivers 300 hp in a pretty straightforward manner. Why would I want a Honda for about the same price?
A loaded 160hp Miata is like $32k - there is the same giant gap between this and the Porsche that has always existed.
The original S2000 was great because it was an elegant solution to a roadster and beat cars like the Boxster at its own game while doing it for thousands less dollars.
If I was going to bring a convertible sports car to market these days, I'd be looking for a solution that delivers Boxster performance for $40k.
A loaded 160hp Miata is like $32k - there is the same giant gap between this and the Porsche that has always existed.
The original S2000 was great because it was an elegant solution to a roadster and beat cars like the Boxster at its own game while doing it for thousands less dollars.
If I was going to bring a convertible sports car to market these days, I'd be looking for a solution that delivers Boxster performance for $40k.
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#30
I looked at a miata with an electric supercharger and the turn off for me was limited full throttle run time due to the amount of power the electric supercharger consumed and associated recovery time to recharge the batteries Makes the supercharger useful for passing on highways , taking off from stoplights but this meant it could only go a couple of minutes on a track. Perhaps this is mitigated with the dual stage boost system but if not Honda will be laying an egg with this one.