2018 Toyota/BMW Supra
02-19-2018, 12:15 PM
#141
A boosted motor means good torque down low, though, which is something the 370Z doesn't really have. With a DCT, the Supra should be significantly quicker. However, I don't know that it'll be sportier or a sharper-handling car. I'd like to think it will be, given the higher price point and shared platform, but who knows?
If this car is actually targeted at something like Boxster/Cayman performance, I'd say it could be excellent. Slightly heavier is okay, given it'll also be torquier and at least as powerful, in all probability.
If this car is actually targeted at something like Boxster/Cayman performance, I'd say it could be excellent. Slightly heavier is okay, given it'll also be torquier and at least as powerful, in all probability.
02-19-2018, 01:47 PM
#142
If anyone thinks the Supra is gonna be remotely close to Cayman weight they're dreaming. Even if that weight is the actual weight of a 718, not Porsche's claimed sub-3000 lb weight. The Supra won't be putting out Mustang GT or Camaro SS level power levels. So instead to justify it's worth it'll have to be significantly lighter than them. That part shouldn't be difficult, but it'll still need more ooomph than the last Supra TT.
Sidenote: The MkIV Supra TT actually WAS a great handling car. Superior to just about any car it competed with back in the 90s. It was heavier than most so no AutoX star but otherwise good to go.
Sidenote: The MkIV Supra TT actually WAS a great handling car. Superior to just about any car it competed with back in the 90s. It was heavier than most so no AutoX star but otherwise good to go.
02-20-2018, 08:08 AM
#143
This Supra will have the M240i engine and maybe a slightly faster transmission. It is speculated to be 250-350 pounds less than that the M240i. The M240i car with the run of the mill 8 speed auto does 4.3 in C&D testing, and a 12.7 quarter mile. Both of those handily beat the 370z before taking off a couple hundred pounds and adding a quicker transmission.
Keep in mind, the M240i spanks the current Z down 20 horsepower and about 100 pounds heavier. The reason the M240i is quicker is it makes around 100 more foot pounds of torque, the wave of torque starts down low and carries through the rev range. The Z makes its 100 ft lbs less peak torque at 5,800 rpm.
It could be significantly quicker than a Z, but no, it will not beat a GTR.
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02-22-2018, 11:20 AM
#146
02-22-2018, 10:14 PM
#147
I mean, I hope this car turns out great, you can never have too many good cars out there, I'm just left skeptical with the present information. Hopefully it looks killer.
02-22-2018, 11:15 PM
#148
We all are I think. It doesn't sound too charming on paper so we will just have to see when it hits the street. I am happy to hear they are keeping tradition with an inline 6 though. Not many of those being utilized anymore and I have a fondness for them. Being turbo charged from the factory with a 'healthy' does of power shouldn't take much for the owner to turn up the boost to more moderate levels and still be reliable. That shouldn't be assuming too much. I'm more concerned with how its going to look at this point. Its hard to love a boring or fugly looking sports car no matter what it does in the quarter mile or road course.
02-23-2018, 02:02 AM
#149
Originally Posted by SCOTT26 
No both BMW and Toyota will offer differing designs. The BMW launches first as a Roadster whilst the Toyota comes as a Coupe. Then vice versa.
The same sentiment applies for the forthcoming Z3 against the replacement for the GT86.
You cannot really see much as they have cleverly and intentionally applied panelled camouflage to the bodywork to disguise every single line and detail. But it is an incredible looking car developed from the design of the Vision ConnectedDrive and 328 Hommage Concept cars. But larger and more stretched.
The Z5 will utilise a Carbon Core which will be highly advanced for its segment.
The Z5 is to spear BMWs revitalised sports car programme to adhere to a unique philosophy similar to BMWi but for the Sports Car and Performance segment specialising in lightweight materials , advanced construction, individual design and dynamics. Engines will start from a unique four cylinder to a potentially powerful Power eDrive model with up to 500 PS and eBoost which was used under the body of the CSL Hommage/R.
After the Roadster is implemented a Coupe will follow. As are potential M Models. But nothing is fully confirmed for those as yet.
No both BMW and Toyota will offer differing designs. The BMW launches first as a Roadster whilst the Toyota comes as a Coupe. Then vice versa.
The same sentiment applies for the forthcoming Z3 against the replacement for the GT86.
You cannot really see much as they have cleverly and intentionally applied panelled camouflage to the bodywork to disguise every single line and detail. But it is an incredible looking car developed from the design of the Vision ConnectedDrive and 328 Hommage Concept cars. But larger and more stretched.
The Z5 will utilise a Carbon Core which will be highly advanced for its segment.
The Z5 is to spear BMWs revitalised sports car programme to adhere to a unique philosophy similar to BMWi but for the Sports Car and Performance segment specialising in lightweight materials , advanced construction, individual design and dynamics. Engines will start from a unique four cylinder to a potentially powerful Power eDrive model with up to 500 PS and eBoost which was used under the body of the CSL Hommage/R.
After the Roadster is implemented a Coupe will follow. As are potential M Models. But nothing is fully confirmed for those as yet.
First G29 Z4 Roadster Prototype Spied, Returns to the Soft-Top! - Page 33
what he is taking about is more interesting. If it’s that attractive and capable of 500hp and relatively light, I’m interested. I don’t expect that to be cheap though.
03-07-2018, 07:47 AM
#150
A race inspired concept was unveiled at the Geneva auto show. It will have a turbo inline 6 and no manual transmission. It probably makes sense not to have a manual since nobody will buy one. I'm guessing the car will either be bought by older people as nostalgia old Supra who will use as a weekend cruiser or race teams for track use and they will need to squeeze out every single inch of performance. Manuals are not going to cut it...
https://www.autoblog.com/2018/03/06/...ual-confirmed/
https://www.autoblog.com/2018/03/06/...ual-confirmed/