2018 Toyota/BMW Supra
04-13-2015, 09:22 PM
#21
To be fair the train why Toyotas are so relate is because they make safe uninspiring engines. When they do venture out lately, the 2zz comes to mind, not so reliable. Anyone can make a reliable sub 150hp engine, abd these days everyone pretty much does. Where toyota stands out is their relative reliability with all the peripheral electronics. But right now they do not make a production engine that i fantasize about dropping into anything. The lfa motor is a street legal race engine.
What made the mkiv supra legendary was itsc robust motor but more importantly it's ease to work on. Look at its competition at its time, The vg30dett not quite as robust but a pain to work on, The 6g63 in the 3000gt was as robust but a pain to work on, the 13b was rotary reliable, the rb26dett is equally legendary but illegal here. It was a super car killer that joe timecard could afford to own. This new one won't be.
What made the mkiv supra legendary was itsc robust motor but more importantly it's ease to work on. Look at its competition at its time, The vg30dett not quite as robust but a pain to work on, The 6g63 in the 3000gt was as robust but a pain to work on, the 13b was rotary reliable, the rb26dett is equally legendary but illegal here. It was a super car killer that joe timecard could afford to own. This new one won't be.
04-14-2015, 05:05 AM
#23
I see tons of new BMW's on the road, don't hear many owners complaining about reliability with them. I honestly believe that in part a reason that Toyota's are more reliable is that their owners are people that typically do not drive their cars aggressively and always do the scheduled maintenance.
Realistically the only good engine Toyota makes from a performance stand point is the V8 in the RCF, that would also be bad ass but maybe they have reasons for not using it? Too wide?
Realistically the only good engine Toyota makes from a performance stand point is the V8 in the RCF, that would also be bad ass but maybe they have reasons for not using it? Too wide?
04-14-2015, 06:40 AM
#24
Originally Posted by budgy' timestamp='1428934286' post='23575787
I am surprised so many people here do not like the styling. I think if it goes into production it would be the best looking car on the road. If it has an M3 engine I see no reason to be disappointed considering that same motor propels a fairly heavy M3 down the straights as fast or faster than the new Vette.
04-14-2015, 06:43 AM
#25
Originally Posted by civdaddy' timestamp='1428979721' post='23576820
[quote name='budgy' timestamp='1428934286' post='23575787']
I am surprised so many people here do not like the styling. I think if it goes into production it would be the best looking car on the road. If it has an M3 engine I see no reason to be disappointed considering that same motor propels a fairly heavy M3 down the straights as fast or faster than the new Vette.
I am surprised so many people here do not like the styling. I think if it goes into production it would be the best looking car on the road. If it has an M3 engine I see no reason to be disappointed considering that same motor propels a fairly heavy M3 down the straights as fast or faster than the new Vette.
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Uh, maybe for their mainstream models. Reliability of their performance engines? Nope.
04-14-2015, 06:57 AM
#26
When left alone they last just fine. But agreed, I've seen simply increasing boost blow ring lands. But we aren't talking pushing the limits here. If you're talking "Toyota" reliability, you're talking stock for stock, unmolested.
04-14-2015, 09:00 AM
#27
04-14-2015, 09:16 AM
#28
Originally Posted by budgy' timestamp='1428984555' post='23576871
I see tons of new BMW's on the road, don't hear many owners complaining about reliability with them. I honestly believe that in part a reason that Toyota's are more reliable is that their owners are people that typically do not drive their cars aggressively and always do the scheduled maintenance.
Realistically the only good engine Toyota makes from a performance stand point is the V8 in the RCF, that would also be bad ass but maybe they have reasons for not using it? Too wide?
Realistically the only good engine Toyota makes from a performance stand point is the V8 in the RCF, that would also be bad ass but maybe they have reasons for not using it? Too wide?
04-14-2015, 09:34 AM
#29
Originally Posted by rob-2' timestamp='1429016713' post='23577154
[quote name='budgy' timestamp='1428984555' post='23576871']
I see tons of new BMW's on the road, don't hear many owners complaining about reliability with them. I honestly believe that in part a reason that Toyota's are more reliable is that their owners are people that typically do not drive their cars aggressively and always do the scheduled maintenance.
Realistically the only good engine Toyota makes from a performance stand point is the V8 in the RCF, that would also be bad ass but maybe they have reasons for not using it? Too wide?
I see tons of new BMW's on the road, don't hear many owners complaining about reliability with them. I honestly believe that in part a reason that Toyota's are more reliable is that their owners are people that typically do not drive their cars aggressively and always do the scheduled maintenance.
Realistically the only good engine Toyota makes from a performance stand point is the V8 in the RCF, that would also be bad ass but maybe they have reasons for not using it? Too wide?
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Your reasoning on Toyota isn't correct. They just build better motors. So does Honda. Honda reliability isn't because people don't drive them hard.
A car should last outside warranty. Minor wear items aside outside super cars, modern cars should go 200k without issue. You don't see many 200k bmws on the road.
04-14-2015, 09:41 AM
#30
Originally Posted by Redline S2K' timestamp='1429023472' post='23577317
When left alone they last just fine. But agreed, I've seen simply increasing boost blow ring lands. But we aren't talking pushing the limits here. If you're talking "Toyota" reliability, you're talking stock for stock, unmolested.
I also think that the reason why BMWs have the stigma isn't so much that they necessarily fail more (although I think they do) but that the maitenance costs more and when something small does fail, it usually leads to a huge bill.