2019 Miata ND engine update - 181hp, 7500rpm redline.. your thoughts as an S2k owner?
08-21-2018, 01:43 PM
#21
I actually like the looks alot, especially the rf, and considering all the modern crash regulations. Interior design wise I also prefer it, because well its modern.
Neither car is particularly fast, and they're both pretty darn close. Let's not forget that to achieve the magazine 60 numbers in the s, many mags reported they had to dump the clutch at 8kx something most of us who plan on keeping the car arent actually doing. This lends to the notion that the mx5 jas better throttle on power, or in other words just feels more lively. Having driven the nb despite its lower power, I didnt feel I gave up much in terms of power, but the s2000 has the party trick of having 2-3k in vtec more, but down low like the 86s itll probably feel less sluggish.
And before we talk about the f20c bsing bullet proof, let's pump the brakes about people bouncing off the redline and the engines holding up, cracked retainers anyone? F22c though does seem bullet proof. With the mx5, I'm more worried about the transmission than the engine, something s2000 owners can also worry about.
And yes we can all talk about used vs new, well then I could buy an NB for 5k, which is a third of any s2000 worth getting, and on and on.
This car caught my eye, I will be test driving soon.
Neither car is particularly fast, and they're both pretty darn close. Let's not forget that to achieve the magazine 60 numbers in the s, many mags reported they had to dump the clutch at 8kx something most of us who plan on keeping the car arent actually doing. This lends to the notion that the mx5 jas better throttle on power, or in other words just feels more lively. Having driven the nb despite its lower power, I didnt feel I gave up much in terms of power, but the s2000 has the party trick of having 2-3k in vtec more, but down low like the 86s itll probably feel less sluggish.
And before we talk about the f20c bsing bullet proof, let's pump the brakes about people bouncing off the redline and the engines holding up, cracked retainers anyone? F22c though does seem bullet proof. With the mx5, I'm more worried about the transmission than the engine, something s2000 owners can also worry about.
And yes we can all talk about used vs new, well then I could buy an NB for 5k, which is a third of any s2000 worth getting, and on and on.
This car caught my eye, I will be test driving soon.
08-22-2018, 10:51 AM
#22
Thread Starter
Yeah... it'll honestly be impossible to find a clean, un-crashed, un-riced, S2k for a realistic, good and fair price.
There's no way I'll pay $14-18k for high-mileage S2k with +150k miles, nor $20-30k for an S2k with 80-120k miles. That's just stup*d. They'll all have bad history, crashes, rice, etc.
It's good to plan for the future, if something happens to my S2k (crash or stolen). A clean low-mileage ND2 is my next car.
There's no way I'll pay $14-18k for high-mileage S2k with +150k miles, nor $20-30k for an S2k with 80-120k miles. That's just stup*d. They'll all have bad history, crashes, rice, etc.
It's good to plan for the future, if something happens to my S2k (crash or stolen). A clean low-mileage ND2 is my next car.
08-22-2018, 10:59 AM
#23
Ima leave this here
08-22-2018, 11:25 AM
#24
That was quick! I guess their components still bolt up directly and easily.
184 whp is great for a car that light.
184 whp is great for a car that light.
08-22-2018, 10:19 PM
#26
And if I'm not mistaken, no tune?
The performance stock seems to be similar to an ap1, with a tune and bolton's ahould be in ap2 land.
interestingly though despite the power bump they're not that much faster than the nd1, but the reviews all say it's definitely felt while driving.
The performance stock seems to be similar to an ap1, with a tune and bolton's ahould be in ap2 land.
interestingly though despite the power bump they're not that much faster than the nd1, but the reviews all say it's definitely felt while driving.
08-23-2018, 05:13 AM
#27
Registered User
And if I'm not mistaken, no tune?
The performance stock seems to be similar to an ap1, with a tune and bolton's ahould be in ap2 land.
interestingly though despite the power bump they're not that much faster than the nd1, but the reviews all say it's definitely felt while driving.
The performance stock seems to be similar to an ap1, with a tune and bolton's ahould be in ap2 land.
interestingly though despite the power bump they're not that much faster than the nd1, but the reviews all say it's definitely felt while driving.
I'm all over one of these next year as soon as we see what Mazda has up their sleeve for the 30th anniversary edition. Zero interest in a used S2000 weighing 500+ lbs more.
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Jah2000 (08-23-2018)
08-23-2018, 07:34 AM
#28
That is correct. No tune at the moment only midpipe and exhaust. They haven't been able to crack the ECU yet.
I'm all over one of these next year as soon as we see what Mazda has up their sleeve for the 30th anniversary edition. Zero interest in a used S2000 weighing 500+ lbs more.
I'm all over one of these next year as soon as we see what Mazda has up their sleeve for the 30th anniversary edition. Zero interest in a used S2000 weighing 500+ lbs more.
Love my ap2, but dealing with used cars is a chore. Fortunately mine is 100% original, decently low miles, and mechanically sound, but the age shows as I discover more damages. Also going from newer cars to an older car is noticeable these days, granted the issues are minor like bluetooth.
I dunno, I keep waffling about what I want to do, and the 2020 is right around the corner so I'm probably better off waiting anyway. My suspicion is that itll be more of a chassis/styling change than an engine change. This is pretty typical of a manufacturer to prematurely release an updated engine to help spur slowing sales for the current model. Like the coyote in the 2012 mustang. And I'm among the folks who really like the ND styling all the way around, has a great clean look to it which you dont get too much of these days. Granted I wish the fender line was lower but damn euro crash laws.
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Jah2000 (08-23-2018)
08-23-2018, 10:32 AM
#29
Thread Starter
Those numbers are impressive... even stock. Seems like Mazda's "specs/numbers" are conservative and/or there's little drivetrain loss - both very good.
Seems like similar numbers as the FRS/BRZ/GT86, and those cars are stated/spec'd as 200hp, lol.
Here's a nice video:
I wish there were more track-reviews like this... or actually, even regular real reviews (because it seems like there's tons and tons of copied YT reviews of the ND2 atm, where the video is all music, smh)
Seems like similar numbers as the FRS/BRZ/GT86, and those cars are stated/spec'd as 200hp, lol.
Here's a nice video:
I wish there were more track-reviews like this... or actually, even regular real reviews (because it seems like there's tons and tons of copied YT reviews of the ND2 atm, where the video is all music, smh)
08-23-2018, 11:10 AM
#30
Those bolt-ons put it a couple ftlbs shy of a 500 pound heavier AP2. I really think this would be a great car to daily. I am kind of an interior freak, and while I liked the S2000 interior and it was of high quality finish, I think this new car beats it, and those Recaros look nice.