WolfpackS2k

In certain applications it most certainly is. You're in the minority here.

GSteg

Yea I figured I'm in the minority on an S2000 forum lol. Every Honda in the last 15 years is innovative in 'certain applications' depending on how you cherry pick it. Every car has its own merit, even the ugly Crosstour. A high revving reliable engine is certainly not new to Honda. In fact, it's a 'standard feature' on a sporty Honda so no one should be surprised when buying one which is why I don't think it's a breakthrough.

I suppose I'm taking the word innovative too literally. Or perhaps the article is using it too loosely (see Accord V6 6spd lol).

Regardless, the article is meh.

Manga_Spawn

Um. 2000 Honda insight was not 15 years ago. It was 17 years ago. The civic Type R pictured is not the 2015 model this is the 2015 model 2015 Honda Civic Type R First Drive – Review – Car and Driver .

Have to agree that the S2000 isn't the most innovative car. Sure the engine is impressive but it isn't anything new. iVtec is arguably more innovative than the S2000 engine.

Saki GT

Last 15 years? Um okay, but what is innovative and from the past 5 years?

Civic Type R? Wasn't that innovative in the 1990s?
S2000? Conceived in the 90s as well.
Element? That came out in 2003 and is dead now...
Ridgeline? 2005 and pretty stagnant since.
Clarity? 2008 and Honda's only real alternative fuel car as its hybrids are all but dead...
CR-Zzz does that count? It's dead now...
Odyssey? The built-in vacuum is innovative I guess..

I don't think Honda does innovative any more... if you check out Honda's "future vehicles" page, the mini van tops the list, lol.

WolfpackS2k

Feel free to point me towards a 2017 Honda with a high revving engine, standard or otherwise. Because last time I checked those no longer existed.

TheDonEffect

JonBoy with sales figures in 3, 2...

JonBoy

TheDonEffect with his tireless commentary about things I won't do in 3, 2.... In case you missed it, I already commented without mentioning sales figures.

GSteg

I'm talking about Hondas of the same era as the S2000. When you bought a Honda/Acura "sports" car at the time whether it's a Civic Si, RSX-S, S2000, you didn't question reliability. It's already assumed to give you years of trouble-free ownership. It's nothing new.

The S2000 is a spectacular sports car, but again, what makes it innovative? When you hear the word innovation, you think new, ground-breaking, technological advancement, etc. This is opposite of what made the S2000 the car it's known for: raw, bare-bone, no-frills, back to the basics design.

Saki GT

The S2000 was actually quite innovative, from the x-bone chassis, to the engine design, to the hp/l, to the fast-operating top, to the FM weight balance... etc.. What it didn't have was extras that diluted the roadster experience.

I think the article really just highlights how far Honda has dropped from being innovative to being a cookie cutter car company. If you think the S2000 is a basic car, that was one of the experience goals, but the engineering to achieve that is quite complex.

TheDonEffect