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Old 09-25-2008, 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Voodoo_S2K,Sep 25 2008, 01:42 PM
I agree. I don't rely too much on a lot of the things that CD report on.
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Originally Posted by Voodoo_S2K,Sep 25 2008, 02:42 PM
Cry all you want, but as the saying goes, "horsepower sells cars, but torque wins races".

The Cobalt SS has the same motor as the Solstice GXP, another car that S2KI loves to hate. It makes more peak power than the S2000's mill, but that's not the most significant difference, which is that it makes vastly more torque than the S2000 does.

Comparing in-car footage taken in my Boxster S and a competing Solstice GXP was a sobering experience for me -- my footage looked like it was in slow motion because the GXP got out of corners so much harder. Now consider that my Boxster is much torquier than the S2000...

The Cobalt's showing is validated by Motor Trend's recent track test at Laguna Seca, where Randy Pobst was as fast in the Cobalt as he was in the Evo, and was faster than he was in the RX-8 R3.
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Again I wipe my bum with this magazine
Old 09-25-2008, 05:34 PM
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lol, wow facts are facts folks
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Delete this thread, quickly, before the GT-R haters see this because it performed remarkably, as usual.
Old 09-25-2008, 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted by PedalFaster,Sep 25 2008, 04:31 PM
Cry all you want, but as the saying goes, "horsepower sells cars, but torque wins races".

The Cobalt SS has the same motor as the Solstice GXP, another car that S2KI loves to hate. It makes more peak power than the S2000's mill, but that's not the most significant difference, which is that it makes vastly more torque than the S2000 does.

Comparing in-car footage taken in my Boxster S and a competing Solstice GXP was a sobering experience for me -- my footage looked like it was in slow motion because the GXP got out of corners so much harder. Now consider that my Boxster is much torquier than the S2000...

The Cobalt's showing is validated by Motor Trend's recent track test at Laguna Seca, where Randy Pobst was as fast in the Cobalt as he was in the Evo, and was faster than he was in the RX-8 R3.
Remember when GM said their new Cobalt SS could run a 8:22 time around the ring and we all laughed our heads off?

I guess they showed us.
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So the IS-F is only 1 second faster than the S2000?
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Originally Posted by PedalFaster,Sep 25 2008, 05:31 PM
Cry all you want, but as the saying goes, "horsepower sells cars, but torque wins races".
Yet it is relegated to D Stock .

There is also a saying that goes "blah...blah...blah", so it must be gospel and things never change over time. What is really more important, torque or thrust.
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And the S2000 CR is almost 2 seconds faster than the Elise SC?

Surprising results in this test:

Elise SC
Cobalt
IS F
Civic Mugen Si
STi
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so were all cars driven by the same driver?


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