Chinese Car Review: BYD G3 about $11,000 USD
12-17-2009, 07:10 AM
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Originally Posted by NuncoStr8,Dec 16 2009, 04:16 PM
Well, as long as people think it's better to flood the market with cheap crap we could easily make here vs. grow our own economy, yes we'll all be forced to drive cars from wherever they are cheapest.
Why precisely does an economy based on cheap labor, government subsidy, and abysmal employment practices get a free pass in the US? Why don't we have some drive to keep products from that kind of country off our store shelves? I don't hate China, but if China was Texas, it would be run a whole lot differently and the output would be a whole lot higher quality.
Yet a business owner in Texas cannot operate at home the way he can operate a factory in China. If his products are going to be on my store shelves, why can't they be held to the same labor and safety practices as US producers?
Why precisely does an economy based on cheap labor, government subsidy, and abysmal employment practices get a free pass in the US? Why don't we have some drive to keep products from that kind of country off our store shelves? I don't hate China, but if China was Texas, it would be run a whole lot differently and the output would be a whole lot higher quality.
Yet a business owner in Texas cannot operate at home the way he can operate a factory in China. If his products are going to be on my store shelves, why can't they be held to the same labor and safety practices as US producers?
2) No one is forced to buy whatever, everyone has their own dollar vote.
3) Everyone wants to grow the domestic economy, however everyone manages their own household finances as their own economy, guess which one wins out.
4) They're not getting a free pass because it's not our right to tell another country how to run themselves so long as its not intentionally hurting other people/countries.
5) Just because it's built in America doesn't mean it's going to be higher quality, remember american cars in the 70s, 80s, and early 90s vs. Japanese/German made cars?
6) No one is technically forcing the texas owner to not operate a factory here and forcing him to do it overseas, his need for being competitive and to capture the highest profit margin drives him to do so.
To digress a little more on macro theories, people freak out about the weaker dollar saying it's the end to our civilization, but the weaker dollar in an economy where our imports massively outweight our exports for a lot of reasons namely the ones you're touching is actually a good thing; it makes our products cheaper to foreign countries. It also makes the incentive for companies to manufacture here greater, and if our dang government would give small businesses more incentives vs. using leftover TARP funds, maybe we could get the pendulum swinging.
Also, the Chinese manufacturing reputation is catching up with them, as made in china isn't something to necessarily be proud of, and they realize this. If they have plans for growth, they're going to have to overcome this issue, but by doing so they're going to have to play nice in the global economy.
12-17-2009, 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Humanatek,Dec 16 2009, 02:50 PM
Exactly. Not sure if this has already been brought up here, but this year China officially surpassed the US as the largest automotive market in the world...and that is just a drop in the bucket compared to the potential market size in China.
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12-17-2009, 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by QUIKAG,Dec 16 2009, 06:28 AM
We laugh now and rightfully so, but we'll all be driving Chinese cars in the next 20-30 years one way or another.
The hell we will! Not ALL of us. Cuba has been fixing the same cars for 50 years. I am sure some people here will do the same.
12-17-2009, 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Tripleblackap1,Dec 17 2009, 03:15 PM
The hell we will! Not ALL of us. Cuba has been fixing the same cars for 50 years. I am sure some people here will do the same.
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I've visited BYD HQ in Shenzhen during June 09. It's amazing that an electronic contract manufacturer that assembles motorolas, nokias, and apples all of a sudden became the major domestic car brand. The company won a lot of its business in the contract manufacturing business by stealing designs/people from Taiwanese competitors and reproduced the results through even cheaper mainland Chinese workers/management.
With cars, their various designs in the economy, family, sporty coupe categories were more than similar to toyotas and mercedes, with prices at rock bottom levels. Their triple digits growth in the domestic markets were staggering, which says a lot about their quality and value.
I was looking at their hybrid family car and thought that we'd probably see this BYD brand in US before 2015.
With cars, their various designs in the economy, family, sporty coupe categories were more than similar to toyotas and mercedes, with prices at rock bottom levels. Their triple digits growth in the domestic markets were staggering, which says a lot about their quality and value.
I was looking at their hybrid family car and thought that we'd probably see this BYD brand in US before 2015.
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Originally Posted by jzyang204,Jan 2 2010, 11:02 PM
I've visited BYD HQ in Shenzhen during June 09. It's amazing that an electronic contract manufacturer that assembles motorolas, nokias, and apples all of a sudden became the major domestic car brand. The company won a lot of its business in the contract manufacturing business by stealing designs/people from Taiwanese competitors and reproduced the results through even cheaper mainland Chinese workers/management.
With cars, their various designs in the economy, family, sporty coupe categories were more than similar to toyotas and mercedes, with prices at rock bottom levels. Their triple digits growth in the domestic markets were staggering, which says a lot about their quality and value.
I was looking at their hybrid family car and thought that we'd probably see this BYD brand in US before 2015.
With cars, their various designs in the economy, family, sporty coupe categories were more than similar to toyotas and mercedes, with prices at rock bottom levels. Their triple digits growth in the domestic markets were staggering, which says a lot about their quality and value.
I was looking at their hybrid family car and thought that we'd probably see this BYD brand in US before 2015.