Finally drove a Cayman GTS - quick impressions
Got some seat time in a friend's 2015 Cayman GTS yesterday. It's a 2015 with the flat six and a PDK. Has pretty much every performance option available - PASM, sport+, sport exhaust, 20" wheels, etc. Non-power seats for weight savings, you get the idea. The car has swapped-in 911 front calipers, and girodisc rotors all around. The car also has an aggressive alignment for track use (where he runs 19" with R-comps). Coincidentally, this is the same GTS that I rode in at Homestead a few years ago, where I crawled out gasping, and saying "no one needs a car any faster than this" (Translation: I don't have the skill to exploit everything this car can deliver on the track).
Initial impressions - the PDK is really impressive. We have a PDK in our 2009 911 S Cab, but that's from 2009. I've always raved about how good that one is. But they've made serious improvements by 2015. I can't believe how fast it shifts, and how smooth it is while doing it. With sport engaged (not sport+), it's always in the right gear. And if you want to be in a different gear, the shifts are practically instantaneous. Wow, seriously impressed. The paddle shifters make a lot more sense on this car than our 911. Left paddle to downshift, right paddle to upshift. The sport exhaust is really nice too. It's plenty loud with the sport baffles engaged, makes some wild burbles when you come off throttle, and the rev matched downshifts just sound amazing. Now, comparing it to the 911 and turbo Cayman S we have. From a feel and balance perspective, it's just planted. More so than my 06 Cayman. And it has more of that mature, solid feel that I see more of in our 911. With me at the wheel, there was just a hint of understeer present when pushing it, even with the heavy negative camber. But it's very stable and confidence inspiring, never felt a hint of oversteer. Driving it back to back with the owner, he jumps on the throttle MUCH earlier when cornering, and the car just hunkers down and powers out. Obviously, I was a bit more cautious. The one thing that surprised me is that I expected it to be equal to or slightly quicker than our 911 in a straight line. Sure, it's 385 vs 350 hp, but I would expect the 911 Cab to be carrying a bit more weight. I just didn't get that impression from the driver's seat. I think the tall gearing on the 981 contributes to that. I saw 72mph at redline in second gear, and did not max out third. The gearing just felt really tall in this car. My turbo Cayman feels like it has a LOT more grunt, although PDK vs 6-speed is probably a big equalizer in overall acceleration. Overall, I really liked it. |
Gearing is a big factor in the Cayman. It's definitely "handicapped" compared to the 911.
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I am not a fan of the short gears in many of today's cars. Good to hear you can get some use out of each gear on that car.
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Originally Posted by mosesbotbol
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I am not a fan of the short gears in many of today's cars. Good to hear you can get some use out of each gear on that car.
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Originally Posted by QUIKAG
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Yeah, but same issue with my old GT4 is to hear that flat six sing, you only get two redlines before you're above 80mph. Plus, it felt pretty flat (relatively speaking and pardon the pun) below 5,200rpm or so. So, climbing out of the hole in first gear takes a little while before you get into the meat of the powerband. Anyway, still sweet cars, but if it had a close ratio gearbox, it would definitely increase the fun factor noticeably.
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The tall gearing in my GTI is one of my biggest complaints about it. There's power all over, but unless you really wring it out there's a very noticeable drop after shifting.
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Originally Posted by mosesbotbol
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I didn't consider it from the track perspective as I just drive on the road. Especially with the paddles, 8 speeds is not so fun to keep constantly change gears. Did the the GT4 have an active exhaust valve?
Anyway, the PDK fixes a lot of those issues as the gearing is a bit tighter and seems to wind through the powerband a touch faster, plus the shifts are very fast. |
Yeah 1st and 2nd in the gt4 is noticeably long to the point it kills alot of the fun. Great cars that wake up once you get in its proper environment. Personally, they're great cars but a little underwhelming considering their cost and repair costs, I'd still love one but in my economic situation I'd have a hard time choosing it over a c7. Not to say necessarily that the c7 is better.
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It's the same case with all Cayman S & GTS's, regardless of model year. They all have the exact same gear ratios.
Freaking Porsche... |
I don't have a GTS but I have all the performance options that make the GTS (except the 15 hp) like PASM, sports exhaust, the diff, sport chrono, etc and when I first got the car it seemed very loose. It was a combo of 50 degree temps and nearly bald tires. After a new set, even my poor skill level can make the car do pretty much whatever I want it to when I find a deserted twisty road. I feel way more confident with it than I ever did in my S2000, mainly because I have always felt better in mid engine (let's not start the what makes mid engine debate again) than front engine-rwd when it comes to speed and corners. But I had a decade of learning in an MR2 before I got the S2000 so the mid setup feels more natural to me.
But like others have said, tall gearing kills what would otherwise be an insanely fun experience to some extent. Not knowing what the internals of a manual transmission look like, I searched for a gear swap to fix it only to find on Rennlist that first and second are "on the shaft" so there is no option to change it. The car does not do much before 4200 rpm and then builds power pretty quickly, taking about 8 mph of top speed off of each of the first couple gears would let you spend more time in the top of the range, more time in the power band, and more time listening to an incredible engine note. Sucks that swapping out gears is not an option, but I am guessing that would be ridiculously expensive if it were even possible. |
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