Halfway through dev, Civic back to drawing board
10-30-2009, 06:20 AM
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Originally Posted by shyong,Oct 27 2009, 11:38 AM
Are we going back to the late 90's Civic, in size?
10-30-2009, 07:25 AM
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Why? When you can get a Fit today that's smaller than a '99 Civic? With more interior room, same weight, and only 10 hp less?
I mean, I can certainly understand the concept of the Civic being too big these days - I was at a light with a new Si behind a Cayman and it made the Cayman look tiny. New Civics dwarf my S2000. But why bother with making the Civic smaller when Honda already has a car smaller than the Civic - the Fit?
I mean, I can certainly understand the concept of the Civic being too big these days - I was at a light with a new Si behind a Cayman and it made the Cayman look tiny. New Civics dwarf my S2000. But why bother with making the Civic smaller when Honda already has a car smaller than the Civic - the Fit?
10-30-2009, 07:31 AM
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My thoughts exactly. Hold the dimensions, make it lighter, make it quieter on the highway, and give it more refinement without making it boring. Oh, and make it more fuel efficient.
On that last point, I got 42.77 mpg (actual measurement) in our 2008 Civic with the 5AT over 160 miles of pure highway driving with an average of 2.5 people in the car (two going, three coming back) in mid-October. On two trips just prior that I got 40.7 and 41.7 mpg on trips of 200+ miles that required the use of A/C and had more passengers. That's impressive for a car that cost under $17K (before TTL), seats four with ease, and has been bulletproof reliable (just oil changes and tire rotations) over the first 30K miles.
On that last point, I got 42.77 mpg (actual measurement) in our 2008 Civic with the 5AT over 160 miles of pure highway driving with an average of 2.5 people in the car (two going, three coming back) in mid-October. On two trips just prior that I got 40.7 and 41.7 mpg on trips of 200+ miles that required the use of A/C and had more passengers. That's impressive for a car that cost under $17K (before TTL), seats four with ease, and has been bulletproof reliable (just oil changes and tire rotations) over the first 30K miles.
10-30-2009, 09:15 AM
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Originally Posted by alexchou,Oct 27 2009, 09:45 PM
i can't think of any case that the newer model is actually smaller than the previous generation... wonder how buyers would perceive this?...
i think psychologically the larger car worth more $$ even if it cost the same as the smaller one.
anyone agrees with me?
i think psychologically the larger car worth more $$ even if it cost the same as the smaller one.
anyone agrees with me?
10-30-2009, 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Elistan,Oct 27 2009, 04:55 PM
Will the new, smaller Civic cannibalize sales from the Fit? 
Here's another route they could have taken - continued the existing Civic development efforts, just slap an "Accord" badge on it. Take the existing Fit, and slap a "Civic" badge on it. Take the current Accord platform and continue its use in other models.
Here's another route they could have taken - continued the existing Civic development efforts, just slap an "Accord" badge on it. Take the existing Fit, and slap a "Civic" badge on it. Take the current Accord platform and continue its use in other models.
10-31-2009, 09:56 PM
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"........chief Tsuneo Tanai who observed a rise in oil and raw metal prices...........Tanai ordered his engineers and designers to scrap their plans and redesign the next-gen Civic to be smaller, cheaper, lighter and more fuel efficient."
SPORTIER TOO, please.
This is what I've been asking for the past couple years. I knew Honda would come back.
SPORTIER TOO, please.
This is what I've been asking for the past couple years. I knew Honda would come back.
11-01-2009, 04:37 AM
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Originally Posted by TwiBlueG35,Oct 27 2009, 06:41 PM
Yes, they are too big.
Civic should be no longer than 174" and no wider than 67" and weights less than 2600lbs.
Accord should be no longer than 186" and no wider than 71" and weight less than 3100lbs.
Civic should be no longer than 174" and no wider than 67" and weights less than 2600lbs.
Accord should be no longer than 186" and no wider than 71" and weight less than 3100lbs.
Also, the specs for the Accord you listed would be a HUGE turn off. Remember the Accord is a full sized car. Hell, a midsized car is going to weight more than 3100 easily. If they scaled things back that much, they would be turning off a lot of new buyers. Honda needs to remain competitive, and producing a new Accord that weighs 3000 pounds would launch Honda into a niche market that encompasses maybe 3 or 4 buyers.
11-01-2009, 06:11 AM
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Originally Posted by sprix!,Nov 1 2009, 08:37 AM
I think those numbers are largely unrealistic. Not flaming you or anything, but expecting a Civic to weigh less than an S2000 is just madness really.
How is that madness ?