ealand0001

http://jalopnik.com/honda-finally-admits-it-****ed-up-1802642983

worst. Link won't work because of the f-word.

JonBoy

Here's the referenced link within that story, without the language.

How Honda lost its mojo - and the mission to get it back

darcyw

if a car company tries to be like someone else (in this case, Honda trying to chase Toyota), they won't innovate, they'll just become the other company and follow the competition's lead. Think about Mazda- they beat their own drum and produce interesting products. Subaru used to have it, they've lost it- WRX/STi not withstanding.
Honda's new CEO is pushing to make the driver and driving a part of the equation again. Thank goodness for that. In the first time since 2000 when I bought my SiR, Honda has finally produced a car (the TypeR), that I want to actually own- again, s2000 notwithstanding. True, a car company has to make money, but for the past 18 years, they've alienated enthusiasts.

Thanks for posting a great article that finally calls Honda out. Too bad Honda didn't ask for my opinion when the 2001 Civic came out- i'd have given them an earful.
darcy

Saki GT

Some of us have been saying this for the past ten years. At least someone seems to be admitting there's a problem finally.

It was also interesting to see the market share comparisons from that Reuters article; I remember the flak Hyundai got back in 2008, but now it beats Honda in market share almost everywhere globally.

TheDonEffect

But according to Jonboy everything was fine.

TommyDeVito

Yes, count me as one of them. You are right, a single article produced this last week isn't news to many of us. We've been saying this for many years. Vanilla models, reliability decreases, the tell tale for me was 2008, seeing a Honda literbike burn oil. Unheard of from them and a big problem for that model. Many of us can recall buying a Honda and knowing it would be bulletproof. Them days are gone, at least until they get their shit together. They're still being idiots on the motorcycle side. Yamaha have been kicking their asses for a while now. Honda customers have asked for a V4 sportbike, affordable, for almost 20 years now. They asked for a V5 also when that engine was in the RC211V. No was the answer. I even talked to the head of HRC at a race and asked him about a production V4, since Aprilia had made one in the RSV4. While puffing on his cigarette in the Bridgestone tire center at the back of the motor home area, his answer was "NO!" They aren't the same company that they were when they debuted the S2000 and RC51/VTR1000SP1. They took chances then, and made real enthusiasts models the working man/woman could afford. Boy they have fallen far.

WolfpackS2k

I shared this article to my Facebook page and didn't get a single "like" or comment. That struck me as very odd as I have quite a few car-centric friends. Seems like the enthusiasts gave up on Honda.

JonBoy

I like how you made up a conclusion entirely based on nothing!

GSteg

I'll believe it when I see it. Promises after promises, they give us crap like the CR-Z, 2nd gen Insight (which was supposed to derail the Prius), Accord Crosstour, etc. Their idea of innovation is the Odyssey's built-in vacuum.

Hakkaboy

Same here. Have seen numerous articles about how Honda's going to get their mojo back.

I currently own 5 older Honda/Acuras and I'll believe it when I see it.

Until I see more than one "Type S" line then I'll say there're back. If I was younger, I'd say Type R or nothing, but I'm a lot older now than before.