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Old 10-17-2018, 05:00 AM
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Originally Posted by sam_spider View Post
Honestly, probably 30 years away so I'll probably not have to worry about it, but my kids will.

Those gas stations could turn into charging stations, just like way back when gas stations only had 2 pumps, they adapt or go under. Electricity may go up, but would it equate to $4-5 a gallon like gas/diesel? Dunno, but to say cars will run on fossil fuels forever isn't reality.
A couple of issues make your projection questionable. One, you can get fossil fuels by truck, but electricity often takes an infrastructure change. Two, you refill at a gas station in ten minutes or less where recharge is an hour or more so access and real estate are challenges.

Electric cars are great but battery technology and recharge infrastructure needs to come a long way before it meets the needs of many of us.
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Old 10-17-2018, 07:53 AM
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Originally Posted by cdelena View Post
A couple of issues make your projection questionable. One, you can get fossil fuels by truck, but electricity often takes an infrastructure change. Two, you refill at a gas station in ten minutes or less where recharge is an hour or more so access and real estate are challenges.

Electric cars are great but battery technology and recharge infrastructure needs to come a long way before it meets the needs of many of us.
It was merely a guess, not a projection. If you read my other post I'm not a fan of EV's.
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Beneath the hoods of millions of the clean electric cars rolling onto the world’s roads in the next few years will be a dirty battery.Every major carmaker has plans for electric vehicles to cut greenhouse gas emissions, yet their manufacturers are, by and large, making lithium-ion batteries in places with some of the most polluting grids in the world.
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Yup. And couple with that the chart here:

https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.php?id=427&t=3

Wind and solar after all our efforts after the last decade make up less than 8% of our power generation. Now just triple to quadruple the demand if most of the auto fleet switched to electricity and figure where it is going to come from. You can not meet any major increase in demand without using more coal, or building more nuke plants. You would get great wailing and gnashing of teeth from the same people who want electric cars to save the universe, from the coal burning required to top off the batteries, or nuclear waste piling up for electric SUVs that take kids to soccer.

Those that think electric cars are a perfect and easy solution are ill informed. Outside of obvious torque advantages, the "save the earth" function comes from the fact that power plant generators are more efficient than engines under the hoods of cars. With advancements in ICE engines (DI and Mazda's HCCI) that advantage shrinks, and is also offset by the nasty chemicals in big lithium ion batteries.

My brother spent a decade in a Prius and now has his Model 3 and is a true believer that electric car's poop don't stink. I just shrug so as not to argue, there is no changing his mind.

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Old 10-17-2018, 12:23 PM
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I don't think my EV's poop doesn't stink, but I do power mine from the sun. So it uses no nuke or coal power, ever.
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Old 10-17-2018, 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by TommyDeVito View Post
I don't think my EV's poop doesn't stink, but I do power mine from the sun. So it uses no nuke or coal power, ever.
Don't get me wrong, I applaud that actually. I would like solar panels on my property, when they have a quicker payback either from lower cost or better efficiency. I would like an electric car in the fleet, when one that floats my boat, at the price I want comes into play. But there are too many people who think "I bought an electric car, so therefore, I have saved the planet and everyone should do it." See the South Park episode on "smug." You have posted before about how the Leaf suits your value of a good economic proposition for a daily. That's great. But too many think, "I bought this because I am holy than thou" without realizing any cons of electric (battery material mining and stress to power generation and where it comes from).

Have they paid the $20+k in panels on top of their house? Do they realize where the power they fuel the electric car comes from? Do they realize if we all went electric what we would have to do to generate that power (more nuclear or coal)? Do they get that the "tax credits" or state incentives to put those panels up are subsidized out of someone else's pocket? If they get that, great. If they don't, they should do the math.

If Tesla, or somebody else builds a fun, quick little electric coupe that costs $40k and is sporty and has a 250 mile range, sign me up. I like cars and have an income to be a multiple car guy, I welcome one in my garage, but they have not quite hit what I want at the price I want.

As far as this thread goes, I think the Kona electric is a great value car for those seeking electric. More will follow. I want to see the next one from another manufacturer that tops it. I have toyed with buying a Fiat 500e or Spark Ev on the used market for cheap as a beater DD type of car. I think that would be great. But I stand by what I first said, Hyundai will sell as many as they can build.

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Old 10-22-2018, 02:05 PM
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The closest to competitor to Tesla is really the new Porsche EV coming out....nothing else will come close for a while!
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My aunt bought high optioned Tesla 3 and I got to drive it around. It's pretty impressive and a lot cooler than I thought it would be. Not sure on the price, but it had good driving dynamics and ton of torque. Well thought out, good visibility and pleasing on the eye. Not sure how much she paid for it, but I think over 60k? Could that be?
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I see a ton of Model 3s these days, in Vancouver, and I find them singularly ugly. The front end is horrible and the back end looks tall. Very strange proportions to my eye...
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My wife’s Rav4ev has 70k miles now, and we spent less than $2500 in electricity. Even less if we use public free L2 charging.

I only spent on 1 set of new tires and changed G48 coolant for battery and motor.... Did that only on my own in case to keep battery in top cooling shape. Toyota recommendation is 100k miles. I spent about $3500 total for everything. That would be about $13k expense for a regular RAV4. I got the Rav4ev for same price as ICE Rav4 with Government handouts and Toyota discounts.

As a commuter and neighborhood car, it is great. Battery has about 5% degraded in 6 years, so expect battery to last for another 6+ years.

The Kona being smaller, more efficient, and more HP.... this a even better.

This Kona can charge at 100kwh, which there are almost none L3 chargers out there yet. We are talking about charging faster than a Model 3 at a supercharger. VW installing 450kwh charging stations as part of payment for dieselgate in 2019 around the country.

with 200 hp and the torque... might as well be a Civic Si beater ( during commutes)!

@40k - $10k Government handouts, it becomes livable for a $30k car.

I fell in love with electrons that my wife allowed me to get a Model S to shuttles kids around.... she knows I missed my S2k with kids.
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