Mr.E.G.

How does the '17 Carerra S compare to the 2015(ish) 991 Turbo S? Any seat time in the Turbo S? I know they're fast as hell, but there's just something about the subdued styling of the "regular" 911s that is so understated and timeless, whereas the Turbo S looks cool but in a jazzed up kind of way. Also, I can't help but imagine that the RWD of the Carerra S makes for more fun than the heavier AWD of the Turbo S.

Anyhow, just curious if you have experience with both.

QUIKAG

I haven't driven a Turbo S, but everything I've read and seen and what from I can extrapolate from the '17 Carrera S drive, the Carrera S will be more 'engaging' to drive. The sound of the 3.0L TT flat six with sport exhaust has a better sound than a stock Turbo exhaust. The rear wheel steering and rwd and reduced weight over a Turbo S will also contribute to a better overall drive in the Carrera S. Finally, as many here have said, sometimes it's better to drive a slow car fast. Obviously we are talking about a fast car and then a stupid fast car in the Turbo S. Straight-line is brutal in the Turbo S, but what that means in reality is you're just at "go to jail" speeds that much faster. I didn't feel a lack of power at all driving the Carrera S around town. May feel a little soft on the track power-wise, but everywhere else I think I'd be very happy with a Carrera S or the new GTS.

For some really weird reason, I don't even really have much of a desire to drive a Turbo S. Ironically, the local dealer has a black with black/red Turbo S in stock that is set-up almost identically to the black with black/red Carrera S I drove. Sticker is $70k more and I just don't see it IMHO. I haven't even asked to drive it..

TheDonEffect

Your getting soft.

ealand0001

My getting is very hard, I'll have you know.

TheDonEffect

Ooo is that right.

S2020

two dudes talking about getting hard. Gonna leave thread for a couple days before returning.

Mr.E.G.

I have my getting set to variable hardness.

Mr.E.G.

Thanks for the reply. Counterpoint: couldn't the Turbo S be enough car that it replaces your ZR-1 and the Cayman?

blueprint

I had the opportunity to drive a 991.2 C2S in Miami Blue a few weeks ago when I brought my GT4 in for service.

While i do agree the car was way more refined as a daily driver I just could not get over the MSRP on the car... $130k. The car had exceptional power but I found the overall driving experience to be pretty lackluster. It may just be me but I really couldn't justify dropping that kind of coin for a new C2S....

I drove a 2014 GT3 they had in the lot and I came away extremely impressed with the experience. $141k for that particuar car which gave me way more satisfaction than the new 911 C2S. The car was way more engaging and felt much more a sports car then the C2S. Im going to sit back and wait until the 991.2 GT3 is released and will be watching the market very closely on the 2015+ 991.1 GT3's. While the GT3 was a great car I got back into my own GT4 and was still very happy with it. I believe the GT4 is a car I seriously plan on keeping simply because the driving experience is much more rewarding... for me atleast.

I booked some driving time over at the new Porsche Experience Center and will relay back my thoughts on a few cars I am planning on driving there.

QUIKAG

Yes, but I think I'd rather have the ZR1 and GT4 instead of a 991.2 Turbo S. The Turbo S probably is car to have if you can just own one as it can do basically everything except tow, haul large loads, or go off-road. My fiance thinks I should get the Turbo S because it has a wing on the back and looks more aggressive than the classy, yet fairly pedestrian Carrera S. Not sure I totally agree with her as I like the looks of the Carrera. That said, the GT4 does look more purposeful and striking.

I can't disagree with anything you said above, but I enjoyed the driving experience even if it was more sedate than the GT4. It just felt about perfect for me with the smoother and quieter ride quality and great low/mid-range thrust of the twin turbo 3.0L flat six.

All that said, I am thinking more along your lines and I'm likely going to hold out for a 991.2 GT3. I wouldn't mind a 991.1 GT3 either, but I'd want a '16 model and those are pretty rare. I am on the list at the dealer and I'd suffer much less depreciation on the GT3 than a Turbo S or Carrera S. In the meantime, I still love driving the GT4.

Let me know how you like your PEC experience! I need to get out there and do that too.