I drove a BRZ and hated it
05-07-2015, 04:48 AM
#21
One reason would be the FRS's cargo capacity dwarfs that of the S2000 and Miata. And the rear seat is also good for dogs.
05-07-2015, 06:33 AM
#24
Last I saw sales were fine in the US. (not so much Europe, but that's an economic issue)
05-07-2015, 07:21 AM
#26
FRS sales were down 23% in 2014 (compared to 2013).
BRZ sales are more or less steady. 8087 sold in 2013, 7504 in 2014.
Not bad for a car that hasn't been updated since it's introduction almost 3 years ago.
http://blog.caranddriver.com/why-sci...niche-product/
BRZ sales are more or less steady. 8087 sold in 2013, 7504 in 2014.
Not bad for a car that hasn't been updated since it's introduction almost 3 years ago.
http://blog.caranddriver.com/why-sci...niche-product/
05-07-2015, 07:28 AM
#27
Largely speaking I am also from the camp that's disappointed with the twins, specifically because of the engine. If it had a reliable, rock solid 4 banger with an ounce of character my sentiment would be totally different. 200hp never felt so slow and it's largely due to the infamous torque dip. Where a k20a would rev and rev and build power, the ej20 falls flat on its face in probably the most important part of the band. But all would be forgiven if it were motor that was rock solid reliable under track duty, I mean cmon, 200hp 4 cyl isn't exactly ground breaking, but it isn't. The good news is that the issues can be remedied through the aftermarket (reliability and power), but will void the warranty.
I also wave the flag that says hey, this car isn't 30k+, it's about the price of an Si and I'd rather have a twin than the current Si, and most of the fwd competition (also a fiesta for under 19k after negotiating...), so with that in mind it's still a good purchase in that sense, but I would not own one in warranty and with a car note. This would make a great used car pick up cheap later on.
I love the driving position and all that, but it's not... mustang comfortable because of its tighter dimensions, which means it should shine under aggressive driving and track conditions which it does... but then here we go back talking about the engine.
The engine is just such a letdown because the conversation seems to gravitate back to it.
I also wave the flag that says hey, this car isn't 30k+, it's about the price of an Si and I'd rather have a twin than the current Si, and most of the fwd competition (also a fiesta for under 19k after negotiating...), so with that in mind it's still a good purchase in that sense, but I would not own one in warranty and with a car note. This would make a great used car pick up cheap later on.
I love the driving position and all that, but it's not... mustang comfortable because of its tighter dimensions, which means it should shine under aggressive driving and track conditions which it does... but then here we go back talking about the engine.
The engine is just such a letdown because the conversation seems to gravitate back to it.
05-07-2015, 07:37 AM
#28
Largely speaking I am also from the camp that's disappointed with the twins, specifically because of the engine. If it had a reliable, rock solid 4 banger with an ounce of character my sentiment would be totally different. 200hp never felt so slow and it's largely due to the infamous torque dip. Where a k20a would rev and rev and build power, the ej20 falls flat on its face in probably the most important part of the band. But all would be forgiven if it were motor that was rock solid reliable under track duty, I mean cmon, 200hp 4 cyl isn't exactly ground breaking, but it isn't. The good news is that the issues can be remedied through the aftermarket (reliability and power), but will void the warranty.
I also wave the flag that says hey, this car isn't 30k+, it's about the price of an Si and I'd rather have a twin than the current Si, and most of the fwd competition (also a fiesta for under 19k after negotiating...), so with that in mind it's still a good purchase in that sense, but I would not own one in warranty and with a car note. This would make a great used car pick up cheap later on.
I love the driving position and all that, but it's not... mustang comfortable because of its tighter dimensions, which means it should shine under aggressive driving and track conditions which it does... but then here we go back talking about the engine.
The engine is just such a letdown because the conversation seems to gravitate back to it.
I also wave the flag that says hey, this car isn't 30k+, it's about the price of an Si and I'd rather have a twin than the current Si, and most of the fwd competition (also a fiesta for under 19k after negotiating...), so with that in mind it's still a good purchase in that sense, but I would not own one in warranty and with a car note. This would make a great used car pick up cheap later on.
I love the driving position and all that, but it's not... mustang comfortable because of its tighter dimensions, which means it should shine under aggressive driving and track conditions which it does... but then here we go back talking about the engine.
The engine is just such a letdown because the conversation seems to gravitate back to it.
05-07-2015, 08:55 AM
#29
Registered User
I drive a C6 and swapped it with a buddy's BRZ for a few days. My impressions were almost exactly the same as Mr.E.G.'s it's kind of freaky. Would get s2k all day errday twice on sunday.
If only Subaru comes out with a turbocharged BRZ equipped with the good old boxer rumble...in that case pls take my monies
If only Subaru comes out with a turbocharged BRZ equipped with the good old boxer rumble...in that case pls take my monies
05-07-2015, 10:41 AM
#30
Originally Posted by TheDonEffect' timestamp='1431012526' post='23604802
Largely speaking I am also from the camp that's disappointed with the twins, specifically because of the engine. If it had a reliable, rock solid 4 banger with an ounce of character my sentiment would be totally different. 200hp never felt so slow and it's largely due to the infamous torque dip. Where a k20a would rev and rev and build power, the ej20 falls flat on its face in probably the most important part of the band. But all would be forgiven if it were motor that was rock solid reliable under track duty, I mean cmon, 200hp 4 cyl isn't exactly ground breaking, but it isn't. The good news is that the issues can be remedied through the aftermarket (reliability and power), but will void the warranty.
I also wave the flag that says hey, this car isn't 30k+, it's about the price of an Si and I'd rather have a twin than the current Si, and most of the fwd competition (also a fiesta for under 19k after negotiating...), so with that in mind it's still a good purchase in that sense, but I would not own one in warranty and with a car note. This would make a great used car pick up cheap later on.
I love the driving position and all that, but it's not... mustang comfortable because of its tighter dimensions, which means it should shine under aggressive driving and track conditions which it does... but then here we go back talking about the engine.
The engine is just such a letdown because the conversation seems to gravitate back to it.
I also wave the flag that says hey, this car isn't 30k+, it's about the price of an Si and I'd rather have a twin than the current Si, and most of the fwd competition (also a fiesta for under 19k after negotiating...), so with that in mind it's still a good purchase in that sense, but I would not own one in warranty and with a car note. This would make a great used car pick up cheap later on.
I love the driving position and all that, but it's not... mustang comfortable because of its tighter dimensions, which means it should shine under aggressive driving and track conditions which it does... but then here we go back talking about the engine.
The engine is just such a letdown because the conversation seems to gravitate back to it.
Excuse me.