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Old 01-09-2019, 10:41 AM
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https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-cul...gest/?slide=15

List of the top 15 cars people keep the longest. All Japanese. One Subie, the rest are all either made by Toyota or Honda.

Does this say more about the buyers of these cars or the longevity or perceived longevity over other cars? When I say perceived, I mean my BMW may be trouble free for 20 years. I don't think it will so I unload it, but it might have been just as reliable as a Tacoma.
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https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-cul...gest/?slide=15

List of the top 15 cars people keep the longest. All Japanese. One Subie, the rest are all either made by Toyota or Honda.

Does this say more about the buyers of these cars or the longevity or perceived longevity over other cars? When I say perceived, I mean my BMW may be trouble free for 20 years. I don't think it will so I unload it, but it might have been just as reliable as a Tacoma.
What speaks loudly to me is the cars I see on the road. A '90s Accord, Camry, Civic, Corolla, etc. is not uncommon at all, and they probably have 200k, 300k, 400k+ miles now. When is the last time you saw a '90s... Chrysler Cirrus? Dodge Intrepid (hell, even a mid-late '00s Dodge Magnum)? Older Chevy Malibu? '90s Taurus or Escort? These cars were all sold like crazy and driven a lot, but a lot of Japanese ones are still driven a lot while others are just gone completely. I still see Integras weekly even though they've basically all been beaten, modded, stolen, etc. their entire lives.
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It’s not too surprising to me, as I follow Consumer Reports regularly.

USA auto manufacturing has come a long way in the last 50 years, yet they still cannot compete against the Japanese auto manufacturers.
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It’s not too surprising to me, as I follow Consumer Reports regularly.

USA auto manufacturing has come a long way in the last 50 years, yet they still cannot compete against the Japanese auto manufacturers.
The funny thing is, most of these Japanese cars have been manufactured in the U.S. over the past few years/decades.
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Last time I checked, the Honda Odyssey was the vehicle with the greatest number of 200K mile examples on the road today. My wife asked how long I expected our Odyssey to last and I said we should get another 4-5 years out of it if we drive it a lot and even longer if we don't do as many road trips. We just finished a 5500 km (3400 mile) road trip over Christmas, averaging close to 80mph with 5 people and luggage inside.

The huge number of Toyotas and Hondas don't surprise me at all. I just spent two weeks in California over Christmas with my family and I couldn't believe the number of older Hondas and Toyotas there. I'm not talking about just early 2000s but rather 1990s and even some 1980s cars, some of which were still in very nice shape.

Our 2008 Civic is just about to hit 300K kms (186K miles) and I've changed the starter, windshield wiper fluid pump and interior HVAC fan. I did the spark plugs at 100K miles but other than that, just brakes and tires and a bit of A/C recharging.

Our 2010 Odyssey has 245K kms (152K miles) and it hasn't had a single mechanical issue yet. The timing belt has been changed (of course) with the water pump but that's just basic maintenance. I did the oil change in December and the underside of the engine/transmission is bone dry - not a single leak anywhere.
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What speaks loudly to me is the cars I see on the road. A '90s Accord, Camry, Civic, Corolla, etc. is not uncommon at all, and they probably have 200k, 300k, 400k+ miles now. When is the last time you saw a '90s... Chrysler Cirrus? Dodge Intrepid (hell, even a mid-late '00s Dodge Magnum)? Older Chevy Malibu? '90s Taurus or Escort? These cars were all sold like crazy and driven a lot, but a lot of Japanese ones are still driven a lot while others are just gone completely. I still see Integras weekly even though they've basically all been beaten, modded, stolen, etc. their entire lives.
Come visit my state! All of those hunk of junks are everywhere here. Its the land of beaters here mostly Grand ams, Grand prixs, or LaSabres
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Come visit my state! All of those hunk of junks are everywhere here. Its the land of beaters here mostly Grand ams, Grand prixs, or LaSabres
I see lots of old domestics on the road, although there was a certain era of domestics that seem to be on the rusty side of things. The surprising part of this list for me was that not a single domestic full size pickup made the list. You see people drive old Silverados and F150's forever, but I guess fewer must make it to the 15 year threshold with a single owner.

The car I am shocked to still see running around is the old original Saturn plastic bodied cars. I still see lots of them and they have to have hundreds of thousands of miles on them by now.

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Toyota and Honda still manufacture the most reliable regular cars and engines. Toyota is the benchmark for manufacturing and testing. Both manufacture more precision for the price than any marque in Europe.
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Originally Posted by vader1 View Post
The car I am shocked to still see running around is the old original Saturn plastic bodied cars. I still see lots of them and they have to have hundreds of thousands of miles on them by now.
But don't some of them have Honda motors?

edit: It was just the Vue.

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Ford F150 is just getting broken-in at 200K miles. But I'll bet that wasn't in the survey.

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