rob-2

I like my charger. I hear the AWD v8 is a pretty nice ride. I'm rocking the 6.4. It big, it's bad ass and it screams get out of my way.

Thaig

Alright I'm testing the Charger awd auto 2013.14. Cts v and audi s4. Why did you say the 2012±, I'm just curious. I'm most attracted to the s4. I'm trying to learn all I can now also I don't want the timing issue on audis. Hopefully 2012 s4 is a different engine. I'll research it tonight and drive a few tomorrow on rest day. Ty all. I hate auto but I can live with it since I prefer weightlifting and sometimes can't shift lol...!

white98ls

I'm gonna throw out the prediction that you will like the CTS-V the most. I drove one... didn't like the heavy feel of it, but damn if it didn't haul ass! It was hilarious.

zdave87

Chevy SS.

ChiHonda

I'm not a luxury sedan guy. I'm looking for Mini Cooper for my winter/4-seat car...so take these with a grain of salt. Given that you mentioned a Charger--a big car--you might look at a used BMW 7-series. I rented one for a week while my 1-series was in the shop. It had the base N55 engine, turbo 6 cylinder. It made decent power but the thing that really stuck out for me was how well it handled for such a large and comfortable car. I'm not a luxury sedan guy, but if my preferences went further to the luxury side of things, this is a car I'd consider. Here's one still under CPO. Probably can close-ish to $25k https://milwaukee.craigslist.org/cto/6015765355.html Older ones are even cheaper.

If you want more sporty then NA V8 BMW, E39 M5 or E92 M3. Totally subjective but I think the Bimmers looks a lot better inside and out than the Caddy. Here's one near you. https://chicago.craigslist.org/chc/cto/6055604236.html BMW caveats about maintenance and repairs. That E39 M5 could require serious dollars to keep it going but you should be able to get in for a lot less than $25k but there won't be depreciation and it may even go up.

Other idea: Lancer Evo.

white98ls

Had E39 M5 for 6.5 years and 29k, now E90 M3. Can confirm about the M5. About $1k/yr on maintenance and fixing random things that break. But sold it for significantly more than I paid. If you have the time/patience to work on it yourself, it's not that bad and an awesome car. Although I don't miss buying and installing something new on it every few months...

Too early to tell on the M3 for me, but by and large they have less going wrong than E39 M5s do - but with more common big-$$ failures (rod bearing issues more common, $3k A/C evaporator is common, matter of time before one or both of the throttle actuators goes at $1k+/pop).

My advice: Buy an '08-09 M3 and get the rod bearings fixed, or a later one and buy an aftermarket warranty. I went from DDing an S2k to the M3 and love it. Lots of fun yet waayyyy more comfy than an S2k.

ChiHonda

$1k/year repairs on a car that isn't depreciating is great.

rob-2

Only repair in 33k was a failed oil sensor on my charger. Covered under warranty, $50 part.

friends m3 has had new motor and tranny. Now it's in the shop for electrical issues. He has a loner. 40k on the clock.

i am impressed with the domestics quality.

vader1

I am not going to say Consumer Reports methodology is perfect, they have 14 categories of cars and list most reliable and least reliable. Of the 14 most reliable, none are Chrysler/Jeep, of the 14 least reliable, 6 are Chrysler/Jeep including the Charger.

I have one friend with the Charger and one with the sibling 300c, one is reliable the other is a lemon.

In the same survey not a single one of the most reliable vehicles is a domestic, and 12 out of 14 of the least reliable are domestics. I do not see the same quality you do.

The Most and Least Reliable Cars by Class - Consumer Reports

JonBoy

Compared to a BMW, that's not that difficult.

My wife's Honda Civic now has over 160K miles and I've changed the HVAC fan ($65) and the windshield washer pump ($60 or something). Nothing else has gone wrong with it. That's reliability and quality. Sure, it's an econo-car but it feels like it'll go forever.