The new Supra - who wanted this?
05-22-2019, 03:57 PM
#71
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And yet it's 700 lb heavier than a BRZ and the same weight as the (larger?) Corvette. That this is the best BMW can do with a "ground up" design is ridiculous.
I know some people have way more disposable income than others, but the only reason heavy sports cars handle so well in spite of their weight are their tires. Which wear out quickly and are quite large. Personally I like to avoid that. $1000/set for tires that last 20,000 miles is acceptable to me.
BTW last time I was in a Mustang the rear seat looked to be the same size as that in a BRZ, at least as far as leg room goes.
I know some people have way more disposable income than others, but the only reason heavy sports cars handle so well in spite of their weight are their tires. Which wear out quickly and are quite large. Personally I like to avoid that. $1000/set for tires that last 20,000 miles is acceptable to me.
BTW last time I was in a Mustang the rear seat looked to be the same size as that in a BRZ, at least as far as leg room goes.
05-23-2019, 05:22 AM
#72
Yeah I just can't figure out why BMW, as well as Tada, were bragging about the new "lightweight" Z4. In comparable trim (3.0 liter turbo 6) it's 50lb lighter than the last generation. And that one had a retractable hardtop. Such progress...
RE: electronic nannies, I can't fully disable PSM on my Cayman. Tried doing donuts in the snow once; didn't work out so well. Truth be told I'm okay with that though hahahah.
RE: electronic nannies, I can't fully disable PSM on my Cayman. Tried doing donuts in the snow once; didn't work out so well. Truth be told I'm okay with that though hahahah.
05-23-2019, 07:17 AM
#73
Heck, the mid-to-late 2000s Z4 3.0si was also a great little car - quite quick, relatively cheap and good-handling while being comfortable as well.The last-gen Z4 was trying too hard - it had a brutal suspension compared to the competition - but it looked great and was plenty quick as well, with the 3.0T engine. It was less of a sportscar and more of a GT, as you mention, but to label the Z4 as "always a disappointment" is quite at odds with my experience, especially looking at it beyond the last generation.
05-24-2019, 07:27 AM
#75
It's a very solid engine. You have to remember people are mfr. fanboys and nut huggers. But there are many of us who just don't care about mfr's. We look at models individually, evaluating the pros and cons. This motor is outstanding and the car is solid. At the wheels it's putting up very impressive numbers for the price. Toyo/BMW did an outstanding job with it. Hopefully we see a manual in the future. Some people just bitch about everything. More choices on the market in a g damn sea of CUV's is nothing but positives.
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05-24-2019, 08:25 AM
#76
The the oil pan gasket is problematic and "part of the engine" (and ridiculous that it would need changing as soon as it does). So is the valve cover gasket (and valve cover - plastic!) and the oil filter housing gasket. Same as the water pump going out prematurely (compared to most cars). PCV valve is another common problem.
Some of those are easy fixes (OFHG) and some are not (oil pan gasket can be $1000+, on an xDrive car).
Will the BMW engines blow up? Nope. But if you don't have warranty, you can definitely spend thousands keeping them running well, dealing with "minor issues" that you probably won't face on a Lexus or Acura, for instance...
05-24-2019, 09:09 AM
#77
I like it overall. It's like a Toyota/BMW re-incarnation of the "clown shoe" - my favorite BMW.
It could do with a 6-speed, which I think will eventually show up after all of the outcry from the enthusiasts. If they're smart, it's probably part of their sales and marketing plan to release one after 2 years to "refresh" the car.
It could do with a 6-speed, which I think will eventually show up after all of the outcry from the enthusiasts. If they're smart, it's probably part of their sales and marketing plan to release one after 2 years to "refresh" the car.
05-24-2019, 09:14 AM
#78
BMW can't make a valve cover gasket that lasts to save their lives. I've owned two BMW V8s and all four cylinder banks have had leaky valve cover gaskets (not leaking to the point there is oil under the car, but weeping on cars with 60-80k miles). Super quick and easy to replace on some garden-variety 4-cylinder, but on each of my M cars, it's a V8 with a complicated intake and ITBs so it takes a couple of hours.
It's such a basic thing, which makes it even more infuriating that they cannot seem to do it properly.
It's such a basic thing, which makes it even more infuriating that they cannot seem to do it properly.
05-24-2019, 09:24 AM
#79
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It's a very solid engine. You have to remember people are mfr. fanboys and nut huggers. But there are many of us who just don't care about mfr's. We look at models individually, evaluating the pros and cons. This motor is outstanding and the car is solid. At the wheels it's putting up very impressive numbers for the price. Toyo/BMW did an outstanding job with it. Hopefully we see a manual in the future. Some people just bitch about everything. More choices on the market in a g damn sea of CUV's is nothing but positives.
05-26-2019, 08:52 AM
#80
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The fact that so much of this Supra thread is devoted to BMW is the exact problem with the new Supra. It may be a fine car, but it's a German car in It's DNA - basically a cut-price Z4.
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