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Old 03-16-2012, 06:28 AM
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“As motor racing rulebooks have become tighter over time, racing cars look more and more similar and the technology used has had less and less relevance to road car development,” says Executive VP at Nissan Andy Palmer. “Nissan DeltaWing aims to change that.” And change that they will, beginning with its first public exhibition at Sebring International Raceway this Thursday and followed by taking the exclusive 56th slot at the 24 Hours of LeMans this June.
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The Autoextremist website had an article about the Nissan part of the car. They were very critical of the D2 (Chrysler being part of the Italian 1 automakers) for passing on the engine for this innovative US born and bread car. I don't think I will ever love the looks (hardly an issue given the horrid looking F1 and Indy cars) but the Racecar Engineering articles make the concept look very sound. Great outside the box thinking that has largely been rendered impossible in most series.
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“As motor racing rulebooks have become tighter over time, racing cars look more and more similar and the technology used has had less and less relevance to road car development,” says Executive VP at Nissan Andy Palmer. [b]“Nissan DeltaWing aims to change that.”/b] And change that they will, beginning with its first public exhibition at Sebring International Raceway this Thursday and followed by taking the exclusive 56th slot at the 24 Hours of LeMans this June.
Sounds like they are claiming this 'car' will be a catalyst for re-connection of technology from the racing circuit to road car. Although, I have my doubts about it since this 'car' looks so 'far-out' but then looks aren't everything. Either way, I give them credit for trying.
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Ah yes, because a car with a front track that is half the width of the rear track is a viable idea. It's like a modern Reliant Robin for Batman.
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Ah yes, because a car with a front track that is half the width of the rear track is a viable idea. It's like a modern Reliant Robin for Batman.
Its not gonna roll over, when its that low slung, with aviator level aero.
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It's not gonna do anything when it's shaped like that, except "look cool". The concept of separating the contact points of the front tires is more than about rollover concerns. It's about separating the contact points to allow the car to handle many common situations far better. Think about hitting a bump with the wheels that close - they'll both jump on you, instead of just one. You are guaranteed to hit anything laying on the road with your suspension/wheel/tire with a setup like that. Suspension travel and the turning range of the wheels are compromised due to the close proximity.

As far as roll-overs go, you'll be surprised how easily a car like that will lift on you. Doesn't mean it'll roll over but it will definitely tip, especially if you're at a speed where aero downforce is negligible. Throw in sticky tires and light weight and it's even easier to do with an abrupt turn. Regardless, it isn't going to handle well!
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Originally Posted by JonBoy
It's not gonna do anything when it's shaped like that, except "look cool". The concept of separating the contact points of the front tires is more than about rollover concerns. It's about separating the contact points to allow the car to handle many common situations far better. Think about hitting a bump with the wheels that close - they'll both jump on you, instead of just one. You are guaranteed to hit anything laying on the road with your suspension/wheel/tire with a setup like that. Suspension travel and the turning range of the wheels are compromised due to the close proximity.

As far as roll-overs go, you'll be surprised how easily a car like that will lift on you. Doesn't mean it'll roll over but it will definitely tip, especially if you're at a speed where aero downforce is negligible. Throw in sticky tires and light weight and it's even easier to do with an abrupt turn. Regardless, it isn't going to handle well!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zs_wnHNbVCA

http://www.roadandtrack.com/racing/m...g-takes-flight

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wlQAvEfmeI
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Originally Posted by JonBoy
It's not gonna do anything when it's shaped like that, except "look cool". The concept of separating the contact points of the front tires is more than about rollover concerns. It's about separating the contact points to allow the car to handle many common situations far better. Think about hitting a bump with the wheels that close - they'll both jump on you, instead of just one. You are guaranteed to hit anything laying on the road with your suspension/wheel/tire with a setup like that. Suspension travel and the turning range of the wheels are compromised due to the close proximity.

As far as roll-overs go, you'll be surprised how easily a car like that will lift on you. Doesn't mean it'll roll over but it will definitely tip, especially if you're at a speed where aero downforce is negligible. Throw in sticky tires and light weight and it's even easier to do with an abrupt turn. Regardless, it isn't going to handle well!
It might be wise to consider a whole bunch of certified race car and even street car engineers have poured over this design, for literally tens of thousands of hours. In both simulator and real world testing to even get to this point.

The whole idea with this car was to inspire, not just people watching it race but the rule makers who have knee capped the development of so many series for fear of the unknown.

I think it's ugly as hell but whatevs I hope it does well. From the video of it doing laps at Buttonwillow it looks pretty quick and with the range advantage it will probably do quite well.
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Originally Posted by Duke Togo
Originally Posted by JonBoy' timestamp='1331924631' post='21515517
It's not gonna do anything when it's shaped like that, except "look cool". The concept of separating the contact points of the front tires is more than about rollover concerns. It's about separating the contact points to allow the car to handle many common situations far better. Think about hitting a bump with the wheels that close - they'll both jump on you, instead of just one. You are guaranteed to hit anything laying on the road with your suspension/wheel/tire with a setup like that. Suspension travel and the turning range of the wheels are compromised due to the close proximity.

As far as roll-overs go, you'll be surprised how easily a car like that will lift on you. Doesn't mean it'll roll over but it will definitely tip, especially if you're at a speed where aero downforce is negligible. Throw in sticky tires and light weight and it's even easier to do with an abrupt turn. Regardless, it isn't going to handle well!
It might be wise to consider a whole bunch of certified race car and even street car engineers have poured over this design, for literally tens of thousands of hours. In both simulator and real world testing to even get to this point.

The whole idea with this car was to inspire, not just people watching it race but the rule makers who have knee capped the development of so many series for fear of the unknown.

I think it's ugly as hell but whatevs I hope it does well. From the video of it doing laps at Buttonwillow it looks pretty quick and with the range advantage it will probably do quite well.
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