STI is not greater than S2K
07-28-2006, 07:22 AM
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I'm really hoping the Evo X takes a big step foward from the econo-shitbox that the base car is today. AND, that the mad scientists at RalliArt still can apply their special sauce to the Caliber platform. That is definitely trying to satisfy several divergent goals at once, but if they can pull it off you will be looking at my next car.
07-28-2006, 07:46 AM
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STi is certainly not as edgy as the S2000.. that's a given. There's one thing that will always make the STi a "lesser car" than the S2000. The AWD layout really makes this car idiot proof. You can be stupid and get away with it in the STi... you can't with the S2000. Its that simple. That makes all the difference, IMO.
However, with that being said, the STi is a hoot once you mod it, especially suspension wise. Slap on some big sway bars and some coilovers and the fun factor really changes quite a bit... then there's always the TBE + AccessPort. The midrange power with that setup is intoxicating.
Once properly setup, a STi can be quite invigorating to drive... I personally miss mine.
As far as your brake issues.. Im quite surprised and you might be alone in that. I did plenty of spirited driving on stock brakes and found them adequate to everything I did. The ONE time that the brakes were not up to snuff was during a CA Speedway trackday last year where I boiled my fluid. I switched to Hawk HPS and flushed the fluid to Motul and never looked back. I was braking deeper and deeper in the straights (from 125mph down to speeds <50) to take the sharp turns after the straights.
Your issue with the brakes is simply that the modulation is COMPLETELY different between both cars. While the S2000 has a sensitive brake pedal, the STi has a firm, wooden like feel. You really have to STOMP on it hard to get it done. I had an issue with this too, its somewhat hard to get used to especially after hoping out of a S2000.
However, with that being said, the STi is a hoot once you mod it, especially suspension wise. Slap on some big sway bars and some coilovers and the fun factor really changes quite a bit... then there's always the TBE + AccessPort. The midrange power with that setup is intoxicating.
Once properly setup, a STi can be quite invigorating to drive... I personally miss mine.
As far as your brake issues.. Im quite surprised and you might be alone in that. I did plenty of spirited driving on stock brakes and found them adequate to everything I did. The ONE time that the brakes were not up to snuff was during a CA Speedway trackday last year where I boiled my fluid. I switched to Hawk HPS and flushed the fluid to Motul and never looked back. I was braking deeper and deeper in the straights (from 125mph down to speeds <50) to take the sharp turns after the straights.
Your issue with the brakes is simply that the modulation is COMPLETELY different between both cars. While the S2000 has a sensitive brake pedal, the STi has a firm, wooden like feel. You really have to STOMP on it hard to get it done. I had an issue with this too, its somewhat hard to get used to especially after hoping out of a S2000.
07-28-2006, 08:40 AM
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Originally Posted by F1DNA,Jul 28 2006, 09:56 AM
My son has a STi. It is definitely faster than my S2000, but not as much fun to drive 
07-28-2006, 08:43 AM
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Originally Posted by jsalicru,Jul 28 2006, 10:46 AM
STi is certainly not as edgy as the S2000.. that's a given. There's one thing that will always make the STi a "lesser car" than the S2000. The AWD layout really makes this car idiot proof. You can be stupid and get away with it in the STi... you can't with the S2000. Its that simple. That makes all the difference, IMO.
However, with that being said, the STi is a hoot once you mod it, especially suspension wise. Slap on some big sway bars and some coilovers and the fun factor really changes quite a bit... then there's always the TBE + AccessPort. The midrange power with that setup is intoxicating.
Once properly setup, a STi can be quite invigorating to drive... I personally miss mine.
As far as your brake issues.. Im quite surprised and you might be alone in that. I did plenty of spirited driving on stock brakes and found them adequate to everything I did. The ONE time that the brakes were not up to snuff was during a CA Speedway trackday last year where I boiled my fluid. I switched to Hawk HPS and flushed the fluid to Motul and never looked back. I was braking deeper and deeper in the straights (from 125mph down to speeds <50) to take the sharp turns after the straights.
Your issue with the brakes is simply that the modulation is COMPLETELY different between both cars. While the S2000 has a sensitive brake pedal, the STi has a firm, wooden like feel. You really have to STOMP on it hard to get it done. I had an issue with this too, its somewhat hard to get used to especially after hoping out of a S2000.
However, with that being said, the STi is a hoot once you mod it, especially suspension wise. Slap on some big sway bars and some coilovers and the fun factor really changes quite a bit... then there's always the TBE + AccessPort. The midrange power with that setup is intoxicating.
Once properly setup, a STi can be quite invigorating to drive... I personally miss mine.
As far as your brake issues.. Im quite surprised and you might be alone in that. I did plenty of spirited driving on stock brakes and found them adequate to everything I did. The ONE time that the brakes were not up to snuff was during a CA Speedway trackday last year where I boiled my fluid. I switched to Hawk HPS and flushed the fluid to Motul and never looked back. I was braking deeper and deeper in the straights (from 125mph down to speeds <50) to take the sharp turns after the straights.
Your issue with the brakes is simply that the modulation is COMPLETELY different between both cars. While the S2000 has a sensitive brake pedal, the STi has a firm, wooden like feel. You really have to STOMP on it hard to get it done. I had an issue with this too, its somewhat hard to get used to especially after hoping out of a S2000.
07-28-2006, 08:55 AM
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Originally Posted by oshp515,Jul 28 2006, 08:40 AM
but understand...it is faster in a straight line, but not through corners and the S brakes better....so, the S to me is faster by my definition of fast
Subaru and Honda are the loves of my life (material-wise anyway
)The STI and S2K are completely different platforms that should be appreciated as such. No need to compare and rate "whose better"! They are both awesome machines built for different purposes.
And for those that like the EVO's
(J/K ) I tend to be that way since I love Subie's! My only gripe with the EVO is that it doesn't take any real effort to drive! The computers basically do all the driving! So that takes some of the fun out of the car....
EVO - Electric Handling
STI - Mechanical Handling
07-28-2006, 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by oshp515,Jul 28 2006, 08:40 AM
but understand...it is faster in a straight line, but not through corners and the S brakes better....so, the S to me is faster by my definition of fast
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you guys did not read what I said closely enough....i said by MY definition of fast....Also, I would hope a turbo AWD could lap faster or something is seriously wrong
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running '04 WRX with VF34 and Cobb stage 2.5...when the car kicks in at 3500RPM it's like VTECH at 6K but more kick in the pants feel. you can do a lot of suspension mods to the STI or the WRX to make it "close" in feeling. another thing you can do is change out the STI steering rack for a quicker one (as quick if not quicker than S2K). Call Aerosim in Costa Mesa for more details.