Why is the new CTR so slow?
11-12-2017, 04:24 PM
#11
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Your correction is incorrect, if you’d like to be pedantic.
From the articles - $34,775 MSRP vs $52,695 MSRP ($54,495 as tested) to be precise.
One thing that I find interesting - for similar money as an S2000 was (and that was back in 1999!) this CTR is notably faster.
From the articles - $34,775 MSRP vs $52,695 MSRP ($54,495 as tested) to be precise.
One thing that I find interesting - for similar money as an S2000 was (and that was back in 1999!) this CTR is notably faster.
11-12-2017, 05:00 PM
#12
arm chair quarterbacking is fun, but nothing beats actually playing the game. Have you driven one? Drive it and see if you think its worth your $35K. Does it meets your expectations? Does it reset what you know about FWD performance? People- read, the internets- said the SI is crap- I drove it and was pleasantly surprised.
I'll tell you this. I've driven a CTR several times- on the autocross course there is no better handling FWD car that I have driven. On the road it performs admirably with the most comfortable seats I've ever sat in. I think if you can only own ONE car, I'd put it on the short list.
Is the CTR fast on the road? Yes it is. Is the CTR fast on an autocross course? Yes, it is. Does it have USABLE power? Yes it does. Do I like driving it? Yes I do. Would I rather own an M2? No, because it will cost me many more dollars, likely not be as reliable long term, and costs of maintenance beyond what I'm willing to spend.
my 2 cents.
darcy
I'll tell you this. I've driven a CTR several times- on the autocross course there is no better handling FWD car that I have driven. On the road it performs admirably with the most comfortable seats I've ever sat in. I think if you can only own ONE car, I'd put it on the short list.
Is the CTR fast on the road? Yes it is. Is the CTR fast on an autocross course? Yes, it is. Does it have USABLE power? Yes it does. Do I like driving it? Yes I do. Would I rather own an M2? No, because it will cost me many more dollars, likely not be as reliable long term, and costs of maintenance beyond what I'm willing to spend.
my 2 cents.
darcy
11-12-2017, 05:23 PM
#13
I've said it in another thread, but I hope Honda brings out a sub-30k stripper model. I sincerely doubt it'll happen as that would cannibalize Si sales, but one can dream. Either way, surely sub 30k CPO prices in a couple years. The 2017 Si can be had for about 23k OTD.
I have the itch to buy a newer DD, and it's really bad.
I have the itch to buy a newer DD, and it's really bad.
11-12-2017, 05:55 PM
#14
Someone ran sub-2 (1:58) around Buttonwillow in a lightly modified CTR. Lowering springs, swaybars, wheels, and 200tw tires. That's quick.
11-12-2017, 09:55 PM
#15
I'm not really surprised by the difference in acceleration, and I'd be even less surprised if that M2 had a double clutch gearbox.
Yep, I agree the CTR is a very respectable machine. And the Si is a great car too but it's really not getting the attention it used to since the introduction of the CTR in the North American Market.
arm chair quarterbacking is fun, but nothing beats actually playing the game. Have you driven one? Drive it and see if you think its worth your $35K. Does it meets your expectations? Does it reset what you know about FWD performance? People- read, the internets- said the SI is crap- I drove it and was pleasantly surprised.
I'll tell you this. I've driven a CTR several times- on the autocross course there is no better handling FWD car that I have driven. On the road it performs admirably with the most comfortable seats I've ever sat in. I think if you can only own ONE car, I'd put it on the short list.
Is the CTR fast on the road? Yes it is. Is the CTR fast on an autocross course? Yes, it is. Does it have USABLE power? Yes it does. Do I like driving it? Yes I do. Would I rather own an M2? No, because it will cost me many more dollars, likely not be as reliable long term, and costs of maintenance beyond what I'm willing to spend.
my 2 cents.
darcy
I'll tell you this. I've driven a CTR several times- on the autocross course there is no better handling FWD car that I have driven. On the road it performs admirably with the most comfortable seats I've ever sat in. I think if you can only own ONE car, I'd put it on the short list.
Is the CTR fast on the road? Yes it is. Is the CTR fast on an autocross course? Yes, it is. Does it have USABLE power? Yes it does. Do I like driving it? Yes I do. Would I rather own an M2? No, because it will cost me many more dollars, likely not be as reliable long term, and costs of maintenance beyond what I'm willing to spend.
my 2 cents.
darcy
11-13-2017, 05:18 AM
#17
arm chair quarterbacking is fun, but nothing beats actually playing the game. Have you driven one? Drive it and see if you think its worth your $35K. Does it meets your expectations? Does it reset what you know about FWD performance? People- read, the internets- said the SI is crap- I drove it and was pleasantly surprised.
I'll tell you this. I've driven a CTR several times- on the autocross course there is no better handling FWD car that I have driven. On the road it performs admirably with the most comfortable seats I've ever sat in. I think if you can only own ONE car, I'd put it on the short list.
Is the CTR fast on the road? Yes it is. Is the CTR fast on an autocross course? Yes, it is. Does it have USABLE power? Yes it does. Do I like driving it? Yes I do. Would I rather own an M2? No, because it will cost me many more dollars, likely not be as reliable long term, and costs of maintenance beyond what I'm willing to spend.
my 2 cents.
darcy
I'll tell you this. I've driven a CTR several times- on the autocross course there is no better handling FWD car that I have driven. On the road it performs admirably with the most comfortable seats I've ever sat in. I think if you can only own ONE car, I'd put it on the short list.
Is the CTR fast on the road? Yes it is. Is the CTR fast on an autocross course? Yes, it is. Does it have USABLE power? Yes it does. Do I like driving it? Yes I do. Would I rather own an M2? No, because it will cost me many more dollars, likely not be as reliable long term, and costs of maintenance beyond what I'm willing to spend.
my 2 cents.
darcy
11-13-2017, 05:36 AM
#19
And no it wouldn't. I say this as a huge fan of 88-00 Civics.
Shocking a German car fanboy would rush to one's defense.
11-13-2017, 05:45 AM
#20
I had an E46 M3 with an SMG, and could only handle owning it for about 5 months. It was a big fat pig. I was so happy the day I traded it for my B7 RS4. I loved that car until it became too expensive to maintain. The parts were ridiculously over priced, over engineered, and super painful to work on. German cars, IMO, just are not worth the costs in maintaining. That's just my opinion.