Why is the new CTR so slow?
11-13-2017, 07:21 AM
#21
Are people cross shopping M2's and Civic Type R's?
I love the M2, and kinda like the concept and on-paper performance of the Civic Type R, but they are not in the same price range, they drive different wheels, and there is a large power difference.
The Civic Type R is also hampered by the visual impairment of it's buyers and it is quick, but not nearly fast enough to outrun ugly.
I love the M2, and kinda like the concept and on-paper performance of the Civic Type R, but they are not in the same price range, they drive different wheels, and there is a large power difference.
The Civic Type R is also hampered by the visual impairment of it's buyers and it is quick, but not nearly fast enough to outrun ugly.
11-13-2017, 08:08 AM
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A. Stop riding hondas nuts, they get credit when its due i.e. s2000, no one is 'bashing' the CTR its a great car and puts down good laptimes. Its just a shame that the dealer network had to go in and ruin the launch of the car / spoil taste for many enthutiasts. Is it possible to get one at MSRP? Sure if you try REALLY hard. Was it possible for the past 3-4 month? No. The car sold on average 10k over MSRP.
Even for 35k (good luck finding one) it just doesn't justify the price of the car, yet again an overpriced pile of metal is commanding a premium for its name.
I would much rather pick up a CPO 335i or a lightly used 335i / m3 e92 for sub 35k, buying 2k worth of aftermarket warranty and beat the crap out of them worry free.
Bottom line is: CTR is great for what it is, but the market will adjust its true price sooner than later. When it goes down in to sub 30k range with <10k miles is when I might consider one.
11-13-2017, 08:18 AM
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I guess it comes down to... is $5K+ over MRSP worth it, to be the first on your block to drive one?
11-13-2017, 08:45 AM
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I guess I'm lucky then got mine for 3k over MSRP. Love it but still love driving the S2K more. Is the car worth the money yes. As soon as I get another set of wheels and tires I will put it on a track. That's what it was designed for. You can't compare it to the M2 with the pricing, FWD vs RWD cars. I will say the CTR drives like an AWD car and is quite amazing to drive. As far as the styling options I'm pretty sure Honda engineering did for a purpose. Just look at the CR too.
11-13-2017, 09:15 AM
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But the CTR is certainly not slow by any stretch. It's a very quick car so this metrics stuff gets a bit stoopid. Everyone acts like the metrics are such a big deal, or the lap time is a big deal when 99.99% are not racing for money, trophies, rostrums, or champagne. it's moot. The real thing is how it feels, how engaging it is to drive, if it sticks to the asphalt with grip, how it handles the bumps, if the chassis is sorted, the steering feel, linear powerband, and most importantly fun. At MSRP or below it's a great buy. I look forward to someone de-winging the thing as the design is atrocious but all that matters in reality is the view from the cockpit.
11-13-2017, 10:28 AM
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This is a good point, in general shorter gearing causes higher acceleration but since a stick shift car does not accelerate during the shift, adding more shifts in a certain interval could cause the times to be slower.I think the DCT gearbox helps a lot here, It would be very interesting to see what a stick shift M2 would do. (I have not found any numbers for this unfortunately)
11-13-2017, 10:34 AM
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arm chair quarterbacking is fun, but nothing beats actually playing the game. Have you driven one? Drive it and see if you think its worth your $35K. Does it meets your expectations? Does it reset what you know about FWD performance? People- read, the internets- said the SI is crap- I drove it and was pleasantly surprised.
I'll tell you this. I've driven a CTR several times- on the autocross course there is no better handling FWD car that I have driven. On the road it performs admirably with the most comfortable seats I've ever sat in. I think if you can only own ONE car, I'd put it on the short list.
Is the CTR fast on the road? Yes it is. Is the CTR fast on an autocross course? Yes, it is. Does it have USABLE power? Yes it does. Do I like driving it? Yes I do. Would I rather own an M2? No, because it will cost me many more dollars, likely not be as reliable long term, and costs of maintenance beyond what I'm willing to spend.
my 2 cents.
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I'll tell you this. I've driven a CTR several times- on the autocross course there is no better handling FWD car that I have driven. On the road it performs admirably with the most comfortable seats I've ever sat in. I think if you can only own ONE car, I'd put it on the short list.
Is the CTR fast on the road? Yes it is. Is the CTR fast on an autocross course? Yes, it is. Does it have USABLE power? Yes it does. Do I like driving it? Yes I do. Would I rather own an M2? No, because it will cost me many more dollars, likely not be as reliable long term, and costs of maintenance beyond what I'm willing to spend.
my 2 cents.
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11-13-2017, 11:07 AM
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This is a good point, in general shorter gearing causes higher acceleration but since a stick shift car does not accelerate during the shift, adding more shifts in a certain interval could cause the times to be slower.I think the DCT gearbox helps a lot here, It would be very interesting to see what a stick shift M2 would do. (I have not found any numbers for this unfortunately)
11-13-2017, 06:00 PM
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11-13-2017, 09:14 PM
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I dunno, all signs point to it being pretty quick, especially at msrp prices. Comparing it to an M2... well that's a bit unfair isn't it?
