Daily driver for an S2000 owner
#1
Daily driver for an S2000 owner
As I suspect with increasing numbers of S2000 owners, as the cars get older, my 2006 is not a daily driver.
I would like to ask fellow owners for suggestions for a daily driver to suit my round trip of 150 mostly motorway miles.
Firstly: Clearly, the car must be economical, 50 mpg or better – so very likely a Diesel or could be an efficient gasoline (hybrids could be considered but please consider the next criterion).
Secondly: It should be available for £8k maximum, preferably less (I normally buy something between 5 & 10 years old. Perhaps surprisingly, following this formula, I don’t normally have any problem with reliability)
Thirdly: It should be refined – for a diesel!
Fourthly: It should still be a reasonably fun drive on A & B roads, for when the Honda is at home in the garage.Tried so far:
Andy
I would like to ask fellow owners for suggestions for a daily driver to suit my round trip of 150 mostly motorway miles.
Firstly: Clearly, the car must be economical, 50 mpg or better – so very likely a Diesel or could be an efficient gasoline (hybrids could be considered but please consider the next criterion).
Secondly: It should be available for £8k maximum, preferably less (I normally buy something between 5 & 10 years old. Perhaps surprisingly, following this formula, I don’t normally have any problem with reliability)
Thirdly: It should be refined – for a diesel!
Fourthly: It should still be a reasonably fun drive on A & B roads, for when the Honda is at home in the garage.
Presently, I have a BMW 320td Compact (e46). I am sure this or some other 3 series is what most would suggest but I find it’s a bit of a boat; though much improved by replacement of bushes & drop-links at the front and dampers at the back, turn-in is still vague & imprecise and though grip is good there is so little feel one is not inclined to push on. See comment of the 118d below. I am sure the car could be improved further with a chip-tune and a Bilstein kit but equally I might spend all that money and still not like it. A disappointing car. On the plus side, it is quite refined for a Diesel – until you try something better.
Mk 4 Golf 1.9TDI PD. My daily previous to the 320td. Rolled and understeered at first so I stuck an aftermarket anti-roll bar on the back and it was surprisingly pointy after that. Limited but adequate grip on 195s meant it could be quite good fun, especially in the wet. An easy 50+mpg, not the most refined diesel lump but it was such an honest car I could forgive it a lot.
Mk 5 Golf 2.0TDI GT 140 PD. My other half’s car. Really surprisingly good; compliant, well controlled suspension, balanced handling and good torque. Very effective cross-country on indifferent roads. I could consider one.
BMW 1-series 118d SE (122 bhp). My last company car. Refined for a diesel, a little bouncy on its run-flats, well balanced. When I chose the above 320td, I thought it might be a 1-series on the cheap but it appears not.
BMW 120 M-Sport (160 bhp). Usefully more powerful than the 118 but the M-Sport suspension was much too bouncy. Had to work to keep up with a well driven but unhurried Mk1 Focus.
Audi A3 1.9 TDI 105 & 2.0 TDI 140, both in Sport trim: Tested both before settling on the 118d, above. I don’t seem to get on with Audis, feel very wooden and I think VW gets the suspension set-up more suited to British roads. 1.9 had too little power for the grip of its big tyres so could not accelerate between corners. 2.0 was better in this respect but still wooden.
Lexus IS200: Not really suitable but I tried a friend’s. I always fancied them but I was still amazed how good this was - astonishing for a 2003 car. Made the 320td feel like a tractor. Sharp, precise steering, good turn-in, easy transition to mild oversteer, so refined and well-built, and every part of the driver interface felt well judged – much as I feel about the S2000. Usual complaint is they are not fast enough but I felt that was because the chassis could handle so much more. A very underrated car. Shame they are quite juicy.
Mercedes C-class 250 CDI. Our company development hack. I thought it was quite good – lumpy 2.2 diesel engine aside – until I tried the Lexus last week. I always felt like Toad of Toad Hall driving it.
Considered but not tried:Mk 4 Golf 1.9TDI PD. My daily previous to the 320td. Rolled and understeered at first so I stuck an aftermarket anti-roll bar on the back and it was surprisingly pointy after that. Limited but adequate grip on 195s meant it could be quite good fun, especially in the wet. An easy 50+mpg, not the most refined diesel lump but it was such an honest car I could forgive it a lot.
Mk 5 Golf 2.0TDI GT 140 PD. My other half’s car. Really surprisingly good; compliant, well controlled suspension, balanced handling and good torque. Very effective cross-country on indifferent roads. I could consider one.
BMW 1-series 118d SE (122 bhp). My last company car. Refined for a diesel, a little bouncy on its run-flats, well balanced. When I chose the above 320td, I thought it might be a 1-series on the cheap but it appears not.
BMW 120 M-Sport (160 bhp). Usefully more powerful than the 118 but the M-Sport suspension was much too bouncy. Had to work to keep up with a well driven but unhurried Mk1 Focus.
Audi A3 1.9 TDI 105 & 2.0 TDI 140, both in Sport trim: Tested both before settling on the 118d, above. I don’t seem to get on with Audis, feel very wooden and I think VW gets the suspension set-up more suited to British roads. 1.9 had too little power for the grip of its big tyres so could not accelerate between corners. 2.0 was better in this respect but still wooden.
Lexus IS200: Not really suitable but I tried a friend’s. I always fancied them but I was still amazed how good this was - astonishing for a 2003 car. Made the 320td feel like a tractor. Sharp, precise steering, good turn-in, easy transition to mild oversteer, so refined and well-built, and every part of the driver interface felt well judged – much as I feel about the S2000. Usual complaint is they are not fast enough but I felt that was because the chassis could handle so much more. A very underrated car. Shame they are quite juicy.
Mercedes C-class 250 CDI. Our company development hack. I thought it was quite good – lumpy 2.2 diesel engine aside – until I tried the Lexus last week. I always felt like Toad of Toad Hall driving it.
Honda Civic CDTi – If only, like VW, Honda made almost as sporty diesels as gasoline models. Any experience out there?
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e9x 3-series
Thanks to all.Mk 6 Golf
e9x 3-series
Andy
#3
The GTD is precise but un involving, we've had a 5 and a six
Theres a Megane ''hot" diesel which is purported to handle but reliability is another thing with a french motor in my experience
I never cared on the commute and just bought the cheapest thing, a year old vec which i used for the best part of 100k
Theres a Megane ''hot" diesel which is purported to handle but reliability is another thing with a french motor in my experience
I never cared on the commute and just bought the cheapest thing, a year old vec which i used for the best part of 100k
#4
Do Not go for the lexus is200 if you are traveling those sort of distances daily you will be supprised at how the thing drinks fuel for the power it makes, they are nice cars well built and nice to drive but from experiance dont
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I'd say Vw Golf Mk4 TDI 130pd but you know how good they are. Had mine 4 years, reliable, good to drive, very
economical and you can get a surprising amount of stuff in them. Cheap on your budget, leaving you cash over
to spend on your S.
economical and you can get a surprising amount of stuff in them. Cheap on your budget, leaving you cash over
to spend on your S.
#7
Thanks for all the helpful posts so far:
GreenmanS2000
CRZ is interesting. I might check them out even if I won't get my MTB in the back (Sorry, I forgot that requirement!).
Civic 2.2 CDTi is in contention; the MTB will fit and Tom's team at TGM can service (a good place for any car, actually, IME)!
Nottm_S2
Taken for what it is, I have found 'her' Mk5 140 enjoyable. There seems to me a fundamental honesty about VWs. That is perhaps the heart of my dissatisfaction with the 320td; some aspects are good but others fall so far short of what a BMW should be.
I would avoid the VW in PD 170 bhp tune as it has reputedly troublesome Siemens (Conti) injectors and I believe PD does not play well with the particulate filter. Servicing is easy with VWs as I just drop it off at my mate's VAG specialist garage! So Golfs are in contention.
Also Nottm_S2
Got to say, I feel the same about French cars, so Peugeots probably out of contention too! Sorry jml.
(Just spent Sunday afternoon gluing a - very badly - factory fitted sun-hatch into a Clio. It was an old car but it was clear it was never right from new - and an OEM sun-hatch?)
Mike's said
Thanks Mike's. My comment was just to illustrate my frustration with my nominally comparable e46 of similar age and mileage. Normally, I find the press pulls its punches on Japanese cars, especially when judged as drivers' cars, and they are usually a good deal better than the testers report.
GreenmanS2000
My Honda CRZ meets all those criteria
And my Civic 2.2 CDTi before that.
And my Civic 2.2 CDTi before that.
Civic 2.2 CDTi is in contention; the MTB will fit and Tom's team at TGM can service (a good place for any car, actually, IME)!
Nottm_S2
The GTD is precise but un involving, we've had a 5 and a six
I would avoid the VW in PD 170 bhp tune as it has reputedly troublesome Siemens (Conti) injectors and I believe PD does not play well with the particulate filter. Servicing is easy with VWs as I just drop it off at my mate's VAG specialist garage! So Golfs are in contention.
Also Nottm_S2
There's a Megane "hot" diesel which is purported to handle but reliability is another thing with a French motor in my experience
(Just spent Sunday afternoon gluing a - very badly - factory fitted sun-hatch into a Clio. It was an old car but it was clear it was never right from new - and an OEM sun-hatch?)
Mike's said
Do Not go for the lexus is200...
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#8
Mine was a 115pd 6 speed. 211,000 miles and as the dash had gone intermittent, there was about 10k unrecorded too. The tailgate lock had jammed, that was it. Met its end on the M25. If I tripped upon another clean one, I could still go back - even if part of me suspects I would miss the one thing the e46 does better - 70 mph in a more or less straight line, tramlining (with new bushes) notwithstanding.
#9
Personal experience :
btw Civic 2.2 diesel might be a good choice. Test drove it once and quite liked it.
#10
Every time I see a list of default German metal, I want to reach for my gun.
Get a Legend and cruise 150 miles in style. Especially round roundabouts. There's one on Pistonheads ATM.
Get a Legend and cruise 150 miles in style. Especially round roundabouts. There's one on Pistonheads ATM.