New 911 GT3..... vs Honda
05-02-2017, 11:50 PM
#11
The only thing with a dedicated track car is the chore of having to trailer it everywhere (especially if it is one of those coffins on wheels 
). IMO, it is much nicer to be able to drive to an event (with a group of mates), do the trackday and drive back (without any issues). Buying a (German) car that has been built to do this makes the return journey home at the end of the event, under your own power all the more likely 
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However, I agree with most of the comments made, but the GT3 isn't really about short roundy-roundy (yawn ) tracks, it has been built to dominate that very special place in Germany - hence the requirement of being able to drive 4-500 miles - do a similar amount over a couple of days on track and then do the return journey, all without breaking into a sweat or worrying if the car will survive such a task..... German cars can do that with bells on, Italian ones are likely to break down on the way there, on track or on the way back LOL.
Obviously you can trailer your track car to the 'Ring, but the road trips are the stuff of legends when there is a group of you.
). IMO, it is much nicer to be able to drive to an event (with a group of mates), do the trackday and drive back (without any issues). Buying a (German) car that has been built to do this makes the return journey home at the end of the event, under your own power all the more likely .However, I agree with most of the comments made, but the GT3 isn't really about short roundy-roundy (yawn
) tracks, it has been built to dominate that very special place in Germany - hence the requirement of being able to drive 4-500 miles - do a similar amount over a couple of days on track and then do the return journey, all without breaking into a sweat or worrying if the car will survive such a task..... German cars can do that with bells on, Italian ones are likely to break down on the way there, on track or on the way back LOL.Obviously you can trailer your track car to the 'Ring, but the road trips are the stuff of legends when there is a group of you.
05-03-2017, 01:15 AM
#12
but the GT3 isn't really about short roundy-roundy (yawn ) tracks, it has been built to dominate that very special place in Germany - hence the requirement of being able to drive 4-500 miles - do a similar amount over a couple of days on track and then do the return journey, all without breaking into a sweat or worrying if the car will survive such a task....
So this is why Porsche make it? Not as an automotive penis extension then?
) tracks, it has been built to dominate that very special place in Germany - hence the requirement of being able to drive 4-500 miles - do a similar amount over a couple of days on track and then do the return journey, all without breaking into a sweat or worrying if the car will survive such a task....So this is why Porsche make it? Not as an automotive penis extension then?
05-03-2017, 01:24 AM
#13
but the GT3 isn't really about short roundy-roundy (yawn ) tracks, it has been built to dominate that very special place in Germany - hence the requirement of being able to drive 4-500 miles - do a similar amount over a couple of days on track and then do the return journey, all without breaking into a sweat or worrying if the car will survive such a task....
So this is why Porsche make it? Not as an automotive penis extension then?
) tracks, it has been built to dominate that very special place in Germany - hence the requirement of being able to drive 4-500 miles - do a similar amount over a couple of days on track and then do the return journey, all without breaking into a sweat or worrying if the car will survive such a task....So this is why Porsche make it? Not as an automotive penis extension then?
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05-03-2017, 02:36 AM
#14
Banned
The only thing with a dedicated track car is the chore of having to trailer it everywhere (especially if it is one of those coffins on wheels ). IMO, it is much nicer to be able to drive to an event (with a group of mates), do the trackday and drive back (without any issues). Buying a (German) car that has been built to do this makes the return journey home at the end of the event, under your own power all the more likely .
However, I agree with most of the comments made, but the GT3 isn't really about short roundy-roundy (yawn ) tracks, it has been built to dominate that very special place in Germany - hence the requirement of being able to drive 4-500 miles - do a similar amount over a couple of days on track and then do the return journey, all without breaking into a sweat or worrying if the car will survive such a task..... German cars can do that with bells on, Italian ones are likely to break down on the way there, on track or on the way back LOL.
Obviously you can trailer your track car to the 'Ring, but the road trips are the stuff of legends when there is a group of you.
). IMO, it is much nicer to be able to drive to an event (with a group of mates), do the trackday and drive back (without any issues). Buying a (German) car that has been built to do this makes the return journey home at the end of the event, under your own power all the more likely .However, I agree with most of the comments made, but the GT3 isn't really about short roundy-roundy (yawn
) tracks, it has been built to dominate that very special place in Germany - hence the requirement of being able to drive 4-500 miles - do a similar amount over a couple of days on track and then do the return journey, all without breaking into a sweat or worrying if the car will survive such a task..... German cars can do that with bells on, Italian ones are likely to break down on the way there, on track or on the way back LOL.Obviously you can trailer your track car to the 'Ring, but the road trips are the stuff of legends when there is a group of you.
I'm not sure it's true
The fact is people don't put big miles on a Ferrari because historically it would destroy its value
I think my 348 had about 25,000 miles on it when I bought it and it was about 14 years old at that point
I also had a five year old 360 for a brief period and that had done 15,000 miles at the time I bought it
Maseratis otoh - very dodgy quality despite many Ferrari bits
When I have encountered a high mileage Ferrari it has been no less reliable than any other high performance car with similar miles, Porsche included
And I have a 987 Boxster S (50K miles) outside with a broken window regulator - the first car I've ever owned with such a failure
I suppose if you must have one car for road and track then Porsche are a good bet
But I couldn't live with the lack of comfort for the daily drive and being p*ssed on by dedicated track toys on the track
I doubt a GT3 wouldn't dominate a Radical anywhere, roundy roundy or through a magical forest
05-03-2017, 05:00 AM
#15
I think you missed my point in regard to dedicated track cars -vs- "fast" road / track cars . You would have to be a complete masochist to even contemplating driving something like a Radical to and from tracks in the UK, let alone all the way to the magic forest .
Having experienced a hot lap of the Nordschleife in an SR8, I know that nothing short of a more powerful LM based car would get near it, but that doesn't mean I would want to drive one there, do two days of lapping and drive one back. The concentration level and physicality required in just one lap (genuine plus levels of g-force) is off the scale. It's the only car I have ever been in that has given a (very small) taste of what an F1 car must be like - it's uncomfortable to say the least.... So I'd still pick the GT3.
And comparing Ferrari's "road mileage" reliability is laughable. Show almost any Ferrari track work (especially if it is modern - and especially somewhere like the 'ring) and the dash becomes a Christmas tree of warning lights, as everything overheats. Sadly Ferrari cars appear to be nothing but trinkets and baubles for those that like to have a prancing horse key-ring, where all GT Porsches are pounded around the 'ring to ensure they are up to this kind of abuse.
Half the reason (other than devaluing it) that people are scared to put even road mileage on Ferraris is that they don't "do" big mileage, show it a track and you will learn real financial pain (which is why you very rarely see them on track), where you won't even be able to do a track day in the UK and NOT encounter a Porsche GT car of some description - it's what they were built for....
. You would have to be a complete masochist to even contemplating driving something like a Radical to and from tracks in the UK, let alone all the way to the magic forest .Having experienced a hot lap of the Nordschleife in an SR8, I know that nothing short of a more powerful LM based car would get near it, but that doesn't mean I would want to drive one there, do two days of lapping and drive one back. The concentration level and physicality required in just one lap (genuine plus levels of g-force) is off the scale. It's the only car I have ever been in that has given a (very small) taste of what an F1 car must be like - it's uncomfortable to say the least.... So I'd still pick the GT3.
And comparing Ferrari's "road mileage" reliability is laughable. Show almost any Ferrari track work (especially if it is modern - and especially somewhere like the 'ring) and the dash becomes a Christmas tree of warning lights, as everything overheats. Sadly Ferrari cars appear to be nothing but trinkets and baubles for those that like to have a prancing horse key-ring, where all GT Porsches are pounded around the 'ring to ensure they are up to this kind of abuse
.Half the reason (other than devaluing it) that people are scared to put even road mileage on Ferraris is that they don't "do" big mileage, show it a track and you will learn real financial pain (which is why you very rarely see them on track), where you won't even be able to do a track day in the UK and NOT encounter a Porsche GT car of some description - it's what they were built for....
05-03-2017, 05:43 AM
#16
Banned
I think you missed my point in regard to dedicated track cars -vs- "fast" road / track cars . You would have to be a complete masochist to even contemplating driving something like a Radical to and from tracks in the UK, let alone all the way to the magic forest .
Having experienced a hot lap of the Nordschleife in an SR8, I know that nothing short of a more powerful LM based car would get near it, but that doesn't mean I would want to drive one there, do two days of lapping and drive one back. The concentration level and physicality required in just one lap (genuine plus levels of g-force) is off the scale. It's the only car I have ever been in that has given a (very small) taste of what an F1 car must be like - it's uncomfortable to say the least.... So I'd still pick the GT3.
And comparing Ferrari's "road mileage" reliability is laughable. Show almost any Ferrari track work (especially if it is modern - and especially somewhere like the 'ring) and the dash becomes a Christmas tree of warning lights, as everything overheats. Sadly Ferrari cars appear to be nothing but trinkets and baubles for those that like to have a prancing horse key-ring, where all GT Porsches are pounded around the 'ring to ensure they are up to this kind of abuse.
Half the reason (other than devaluing it) that people are scared to put even road mileage on Ferraris is that they don't "do" big mileage, show it a track and you will learn real financial pain (which is why you very rarely see them on track), where you won't even be able to do a track day in the UK and NOT encounter a Porsche GT car of some description - it's what they were built for....
. You would have to be a complete masochist to even contemplating driving something like a Radical to and from tracks in the UK, let alone all the way to the magic forest .Having experienced a hot lap of the Nordschleife in an SR8, I know that nothing short of a more powerful LM based car would get near it, but that doesn't mean I would want to drive one there, do two days of lapping and drive one back. The concentration level and physicality required in just one lap (genuine plus levels of g-force) is off the scale. It's the only car I have ever been in that has given a (very small) taste of what an F1 car must be like - it's uncomfortable to say the least.... So I'd still pick the GT3.
And comparing Ferrari's "road mileage" reliability is laughable. Show almost any Ferrari track work (especially if it is modern - and especially somewhere like the 'ring) and the dash becomes a Christmas tree of warning lights, as everything overheats. Sadly Ferrari cars appear to be nothing but trinkets and baubles for those that like to have a prancing horse key-ring, where all GT Porsches are pounded around the 'ring to ensure they are up to this kind of abuse
.Half the reason (other than devaluing it) that people are scared to put even road mileage on Ferraris is that they don't "do" big mileage, show it a track and you will learn real financial pain (which is why you very rarely see them on track), where you won't even be able to do a track day in the UK and NOT encounter a Porsche GT car of some description - it's what they were built for....
I think there are tradespeople that will take one's car to and from a chosen destination so I'd be doing that, getting there myself in something comfy and fast
Or one hires on-site
How many Ferraris and Porsches have you owned out of interest and which ones?
I don't know much about Porkers
05-03-2017, 05:54 AM
#17
Banned
Back sort of on topic
I'd much rather have the new NSX than that Porker in the original post
I imagine depreciation on the former is going to be pretty savage
I'd much rather have the new NSX than that Porker in the original post
I imagine depreciation on the former is going to be pretty savage
05-03-2017, 06:06 AM
#18
UK Moderator
The posh track days I've been to at Spa have many vehicles brought along in lorries.
05-03-2017, 06:14 AM
#19
Banned
ANY old crap is currently perceived (or marketed) as a classic at the moment
Trouble with the new 'un is the potential for gremlins as it ages - this is a new phenomenon we're some way off understanding
As for posh track days, workmen and trailers, isn't that MB's modus nowadays?
05-03-2017, 06:30 AM
#20
I wouldn't do anything so common as tow a trainer
I think there are tradespeople that will take one's car to and from a chosen destination so I'd be doing that, getting there myself in something comfy and fast
How many Ferraris and Porsches have you owned out of interest and which ones?
I don't know much about Porkers
I think there are tradespeople that will take one's car to and from a chosen destination so I'd be doing that, getting there myself in something comfy and fast
How many Ferraris and Porsches have you owned out of interest and which ones?
I don't know much about Porkers
Having seen how reliable the Porsches have been (even when used and abused on track), the GT range has always been a car that has appealed the most, as it is what I want from a car - a track ready vehicle that will take a beasting and won't depreciate like a stone if used as Porsche intended. I just don't see the point in buying such a car and not using it "properly". I'm old enough and wise enough now-adays to know that if you drive any car on the road to the limit of it's capabilities (even a basic hot hatch), you will (deservedly) end up being locked away at Her Majesty's pleasure
. So for me, the only place to safely explore a supercar's speed / handling limits is on track. I could not have such a capable car and NOT put it through it's paces, as then it just becomes a "posing pouch"......