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Originally Posted by Bama Dave
(Post 24540794)
Brett! Where are at now with a replacement? btw...road trip |
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Will post all the details once this thing is back running and everything is buttoned up, but for now, I'll send a few pics.
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Long time lurker here. Those are very good NA numbers from what I've seen in other threads. Willing to share the details of your new engine?
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Originally Posted by S2K Someday
(Post 24591545)
Long time lurker here. Those are very good NA numbers from what I've seen in other threads. Willing to share the details of your new engine?
12.5:1 pistons Stage 2.5 head 4 puck clutch Stock cams, injectors, header and pump Berk 3" headerback exhaust These are actually rather low numbers for a 2.4, but I needed to keep the power as low as I could to not outclass myself (and I was already overbudget). If the HC1 dudes start running higher numbers, I'll look at doing a fuel system upgrade later down the line. I'll detail things a bit more once I've got the car back and things are settled. |
That mean you're actually going to run H1?
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Originally Posted by InsaneSp
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That mean you're actually going to run H1?
---- Okay, I'll try and document the past 3 months the best I can now that the car is fully back home and running. After my failed attempts to source a salvage s2k from IAAI, a buddy texted me a facebook post where a prominent member of the s2k community was selling his built F24 w/ 10:1 compression and IPs stage 2.5 head. He advertised that it only had 10k on the clock, and it came out of one of the ex-employee's car who worked at inline pro. The seller had it supercharged w/ meth injection for the time he owned it (about 5000 miles) and was selling because he was going through a divorce. Price tag was $5k and he wasn't budging; but it did have all the upgrades, he stated the compression numbers were good, and given his social leanings and good feedback on this forum, I felt confident I was buying a good motor for a good price. So we worked out a shipping deal (I paid for that too) to Inline Pro, and he shipped within days of payment and communicated with me very well. The motor arrived at Inline Pro during the week, and I took the car up that weekend and dropped it off with IP. I made notes for them to check the driveshaft bolts (since those had mysteriously backed out), gut the AC, and asked them to do a bore scope inspection of the motor before starting work just to be sure. Christian, who I was working with at IP, was very helpful and communicated on and off with me via text and phone, but they were (and are) pretty swamped. A few days later Christian called with bad news. The bore scope results didn't look promising, but he wanted to inform me that they were seeing scoring on the cylinder walls and that the head was rather gummed up. I asked him what he would do in my situation, and he said he would contact the seller and see if I could get a refund, and if not, if the seller would help me with any repair costs. So I did just that. Refund was not on the table, but he did say that he would help me with the repair costs up to a point. He was politely and respectfully defensive of the situation; standing by that the motor was in perfect shape when he took it out and was running fine and didn't even burn a drop of oil. All oil changes done in 3000 mile intervals or less he said. I told him I understood his position and would appreciate any help financially he would be willing to make things right. We had the conversation a few times over the course of all of this, but during the last one, where I finally received a quote for the repairs, that was the last he spoke with me. I sent pics of the scoring and invited him to call IP to hear it from them personally. Nada. IP wanted to do a full rebuild, and since it would require a slight overbore, to sleeve the block, put in 12.5:1 compression pistons, clean the head up, and get the car tuned. I also kicked around their F22 build, using their longblock to the tune of $7k, and keep the F24 to build later as a spare motor in case this shit happened again; but ultimately I cleared them to do the F24 rebuild with a conservative tune to not class me into something like TT2. Total bill came to something like $5900 after a credit on my old trashed F20. Esh, so I'm basically $11k into this thing by now, and the seller has basically abandoned me. A week or two goes by and Christian calls again. The build is done (hence the pic above), but the car keeps blowing alternator fuses and they can't figure it out. They've replace the harness, bypassed the alternator, and as soon as they turn the key...pop. I thanked them for their diligence, but I didn't have any ideas other than maybe the ECU harness was bad? They said they had even replaced that too. A week later he called and informed me it was the ECU itself. Good thing it was under warranty! So they shipped the old one to AEM and got another Infinity installed, did the tune...and here we are. Christian said that with injectors and even the stock fuel pump I could squeeze a considerable amount more power from the motor, so I'm looking forward to seeing how I get classed later this year, maybe run 2020 with this tune or bump the power to be competitive. Gotta go through comp school first! IP was great to work with and while the project timeline was WAY over, you cant account for things going south, like ECUs blowing alternator fuses. Only complaint is they did lose my front towhook, and Christian has offered to order me another one and ship it to me at no charge. We'll see if that panes out because WHO CAN YOU TRUST ANYMORE?! :LOL: Test drove it around their parking lot and the 4 puck clutch they installed to handle the power is gonna take some getting used to, but just glad I didn't stall it out! :p Ken met me up there in Grover (his blue CR) to chat while I got the car onto the trailer and loaded up. Towed back home in great weather until I got about 20 minutes from the house and then it started pouring down rain. Unloaded and she's in the garage. Current list of things to do over the summer since it's too hot to be at the track with no cool suit: 1. Fix brakes. Sometimes the pedal will not return to the top. Texted Stephen and he's thinking bleed the brakes and if that doesn't fix it it's a vacuum problem that needs to be diagnosed. 2. Install kill switch 3. Install fire extingusher 4. Either install a seat back brace or get a new seat to be compliant with regs. I'm just really glad to have the car back and running, but damn that was a big bill. Hindsight being 20/20...I really probably should have just taken it to IP and said "Make it run again as reliably and cost effectively as possible" That would have saved me at least $4k. Hey...live and learn. But now I have a 2.4 stroker s2k and this should be fun. Alls well that ends well I guess. TLDR; Bought a used F24 from a so-i-thought reputable member of s2ki, got screwed, rebuilt by IP with new 12.5:1 compression. Still got a few things to do before getting back out there. Now this is how you fuel up efficiently: Attachment 149155 |
Great story Brett, sorry to hear you got hosed on the engine but I guess that's the risk you take when buying used stuff. As they say, "the proof's in the pudding's in the eating"
Let me know if you need any help with the car, always down to help! |
Drama sucks, but looking forward to driving impressions.
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Well found the solution to my brake issue and got that buttoned up tonight. Apparently, and since it demonstrated a problem back in October before the engine went, my cage guy forgot to put the nuts and bolt back on the brake pedal assembly that holds the brake pedal to the firewall. Which means I ran an entire day on track with the pedal technically not bolted to the car. I have no further words other than I'm glad it didn't go south. Rather have a blown motor than a brake failure. Anyway, time to bleed the brakes in July to get ready for an August shake down at VIR. Hope to see yall there.
Kill switch and cables are on order. Just need to find myself a HC legal fire extinguisher. Any recommendations? |
Which means I ran an entire day on track with the pedal technically not bolted to the car. |
Holy shit I'm out of gear. This thing pulls like a fawking freight train. Saw 124mph in the S's (in 6th gear), and 134 (and at about 8,100rpm in 6th) on both the front and back straights before I had to hit the brakes. I really wish I had the ability to get my phone working to get lap times. Oh well, CMP in October. Found some weird shard of metal that flatted my right rear RC1, so time to put on the Hoosiers as well and see what the purple crack is all about.
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So after pulling the mysterious piece of metal out of my back right tire last weekend, I finally solved the mystery: my OWN brake indicator. Hawk Street/Race (same compound as DTC-30 and at the time were considerably cheaper) come with a single brake wear indicator for a front (and rear) set. Looks like I got this puppy too hot running the pad down so low, and as it cooled it snapped and got stuck in my rear tire. Oh well, time to finally put the Hoosiers on I guess.
Attachment 146650 Attachment 146651 Attachment 146652 New pads installed tonight and drained the oil (awaiting new filters). Putting the Hoosiers on soon :banana: |
Whew...it's been a minute since an update! Was able to score an OE diff from my neighbor for a straight trade on my 4.77. So back at the beginning of April, I went to drop the old diff and install the new (to me). Rob Robinette's website had a great DIY and it seemed very straight forward, but HOLY SHIT these ap1 diff bolts are absolute garbage. I probably spent a total of 6 hours getting them all out, and the last one was the biggest PITA. Ended up hitting it with a cutting wheel, grabbed it with a pair of vice grips as tight as I could, and wrenched it off. The next to last one was a rather PITA as well, but when in doubt and it's already stripped, driving a 1/4" hex into the gouged 6mm hole worked well. New hardware ordered and the diff is installed. Now just waiting on hardrace motor mounts after finding out I cracked one.
Also had a very strange issue with my IACV, which seems that the bolt holding the valve to the body backed out (broken motor mount might have vibrated it all the way out). Car idled at 4k rpm coming back into the paddock in March! If any of you have a parts car and want to sell me yours, I'm a buyer. https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.s2k...d10071a64.jpeg I wasn't asking https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.s2k...7553f21f8.jpeg 1/4" hex into 6mm hole... https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.s2k...86b3bbd92.jpeg Bits and pieces https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.s2k...e331f0a73.jpeg My daughter riding shotgun helping get the new diff back home from the neighbor's house |
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New hard race motor mounts installed two weekends ago after realizing I had done two entire track weekends on a busted passenger side mount. Waited nearly 4 months for these to finally arrive!
Attachment 141591 Attachment 141592 Found out the battery was dead finally firing her up this weekend and swapped in my TSX one as a temp to test my diff install and new motor mounts (new EXT14 battery on order via Lowes for $73), the car still wouldn't fire up. Smelling gas, I assumed spark, so I pulled the plugs and these things were toast. Ran up to Autozone and replaced with exact same NGKs, installed, and she fired right up. Engine vibration is still noticeable, but now it doesn't feel like the motor is about to drop out of the car. Attachment 141593 I assume these are so carbon'd up because of the overly rich tune (ie: detune)...new tune coming next weekend, but I'll remember to keep an eye on the plugs. |
Glad I found this thread. I actually rode in your car back in October '20 at CMP :D I had the '03 Suzuka blue.
The 2.4L felt amazing. Might end up going that route in the future and sub'd here for updates! Planning on any NASA SE track events this year or next season? |
Update: Well after just only 774 miles, cylinders 1 and 3 are toast (35 and 50 psi respectfully). Car has a real hard time cranking and firing up. Once it does it idles rough, which it's always done.
Worse news is that Inline Pro got booted from their shop, has now moved into a warehouse, and is not doing any more "mechanic" work. They said they'd look at the motor only if I pull it and ship it to them. Even then, there is no guarantee from them that they would help me at all with the motor they built, as I am outside the 1 year warranty period. So, after giving it some fresh thought, I have put a deposit down with National Speed in Wilmington to diagnose and rebuilt the 2.4 with a little bit more power (no detune) and prep for Honda Challenge. Price of Toyo RRs is now insane, Hoosiers are almost $400 a tire. Yet, the car needs to run. Remaining plans for the year are to get the top wrapped, kill switch installed, and the boo-boo on the drivers side rear quarter panel finally fixed. https://nationalspeedinc.com/ Stay tuned. Rebuild will be underway in the summer. |
Good luck with your rebuild. Maybe in the meantime you could just buy a Miata.;)
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Originally Posted by batguano
(Post 24925919)
Good luck with your rebuild. Maybe in the meantime you could just buy a Miata.;)
The S is headed to Wilmington Friday morning. Lee, you wanna ride with? |
Originally Posted by RedCelica
(Post 24926593)
Lol...if I didn't have the TSX as a back up track car, I might!
The S is headed to Wilmington Friday morning. Lee, you wanna ride with? |
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https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.s2k...149e5a8f62.jpg Car now sits at National Speed in Wilmington awaiting a "Project Assessment" and diag. Ironically, she fired right up and ran fine when I backed her off the trailer. |
National speed just called with the best news ever. No need for a rebuild, just was two stuck valves leaking all the compression. So they are going to do the following:
Send injectors off for cleaning and flow testing new spark plugs Put fresh 93 pump in the tank valve adjustment New tune |
Originally Posted by RedCelica
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National speed just called with the best news ever. No need for a rebuild, just was two stuck valves leaking all the compression. So they are going to do the following:
Send injectors off for cleaning and flow testing new spark plugs Put fresh 93 pump in the tank valve adjustment New tune |
National Speed has absolutely the best customer service of any automotive shop I've encountered. Between them and Performance Chassis in Cary, I think these are the only two shops I truly trust to get the job done right and stand behind their work
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mas pics, because National Speed just takes a bunch of pics of your car for you. :thumbup:
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Phew. That’s some good news.
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Not sure yet if this is just a preliminary pull or nearing final tune, but just glad to see her running good again!
Should know more on Monday. |
Well that did end up being the final tune after all, but the car is now back home. Time for new tires and getting the hardtop wrapped.
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Hardtop wrapped by Bullitt Automotive here in Clayton. It ain't perfect, but it's a far cry better than it was. Those "bubbles" along the glass are where I had bolted the glass to the top...might cut them out...not sure yet
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Car is down at JL Auto in Benson getting the forward floor plates boxed in, kill switch installed, and seat back brace if our budget will allow. Those welds look pretty good, IMO.
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Two new sets of tires: Toyo RRs for dry and Toyo RA1s for wet (both Honda Challenge spec tires)
Seat back brace welded in Kill switch installed onto carbon fiber plate where the radio used to be Race tech scheduled with Weaver Motorsports for Monday in Cary Medical physical scheduled for the 23rd. Here we go. https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.s2k...70cc11b4e9.jpg https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.s2k...95da359293.jpg https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.s2k...8d2f5bcf0e.jpg |
Ultrachiller and rain light wired up and installed this past week. Just waiting on my *metal* fire extinguisher mount to come in and she should be all buttoned up for comp school next month. Assuming I survive comp school and the race that weekend, NASA is requiring full fire suppression next year, and my harness is going to expire, so will need to replace those soon.
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Looking good my friend.
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Thanks Mark for sending me some pics from the other weekend! Comp school here I come!
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Well, much to my poor luck, blew the diff on the last lap of the first school session on Friday. Hoping to get up with Julie to get this move to Feb back at CMP. Got a few leads on a couple of diffs, and talked to PuddyMod (Ben) already about getting it reinforced. A stock AP1 diff is not up to par for the build 2.4 it seems. Will post pics of the carnage when I get the diff dropped.
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Yikes! Sorry to hear about that. AP1 Diffs are definitely on the weaker side of things.
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Yeah no kidding! New one will be here Wednesday. Will probably send it off to PuddyMod for a stage 1 build
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Brett - dunno about you but the pics are not showing up. :(
Glad you got something new coming soon. Hopefully this things ah breaking will not continue. |
Originally Posted by Pinky
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Brett - dunno about you but the pics are not showing up. :(
Glad you got something new coming soon. Hopefully this things ah breaking will not continue. |
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Oh and here are some pics...hopefully they'll come through. Bought another diff from another member here and UPS lost it (confirmed shipped from Colorado, lost in Memphis)...JML
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It'll buff out
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Some JB Weld and a new ring gear and she's good to go!
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Bought my old 4.77 diff back from my neighbor tonight. Will be shipping off to puddymod for a 4.10 swap, assuming the rest of the diff looks good to him.
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Diff is off to Puddymod. Word of advice in shipping large/heavy items. Use Fastenal! I used them when I sold my hardtop, and used them again to ship the diff. UPS wanted $173, Fastenal shipped store to store for $99. I did have to crate it, but that was about $5 worth of lumber from Lowe's and $1 worth of screws.
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Received the unfortunate email from Ben today that it needs a full rebuild. Hopefully he can get it done and back to me by Feb 1.
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PuddyMod Stage 1.5+ w/ 4.10 FD installed tonight. Just in time to install the new harness, window net, and get the car to the welder to get the fire suppression installed.
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A few pics from the Mustang event last October...
(Jim, let me know if these dont show up! :D ) https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/id...-no?authuser=0 https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/Io...-no?authuser=0 https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/Mv...-no?authuser=0 |
Where's that Asian guy looking at a scrap of paper? I see nothing. Sorry. I am just the problem child.
Originally Posted by RedCelica
(Post 24984124)
A few pics from the Mustang event last October...
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A few videos my friends Steven and Chris were able to capture during the races.
Other than hitting something going into the kink and subsequently ripping my passenger side fender liner and brake ducting out, and my stupid transponder being DOA, it was a terrific and INTENSE weekend. Was able to squeak 2nd place out on the 2nd race, and took 1st on the 3rd (thanks for leaving, Kevin! :p ). |
Looking mighty fine. John and Craig were there also.
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Originally Posted by batguano
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Looking mighty fine. John and Craig were there also.
Dustin, being the awesome friend he is, printing these for me yesterday for a very nominal offer. Now I've got a backup for the other side. Also shoutout to flanders for hooking me up with the STL file to get these printed. https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/oW...-no?authuser=0 |
Hey r u still selling steering wheel? Hmu plz
Originally Posted by redcelica
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really?! Man i didn't see y'all! Wish i knew, would have loved to hang out.
Dustin, being the awesome friend he is, printing these for me yesterday for a very nominal offer. Now i've got a backup for the other side. Also shoutout to flanders for hooking me up with the stl file to get these printed. https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/ow...-no?authuser=0 |
Hey
Originally Posted by RedCelica
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Let me try this way :)
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Great time at the CRMC event his past weekend. Car was strong.
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