Proof that the laser jammers work:
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Proof that the laser jammers work:
https://www.s2ki.com/forums/showthread.php?...threadid=104477
"A south Wales motorist has become the first person in Britain to be arrested for using an electronic jammer to confuse speed traps.
The driver was found with a laser diffuser device in the vehicle by police in south Wales under a drive called the Safety Camera Partnership.
The partnership will not tolerate the use of such diffuser devices
Sergeant Gary Smart, South Wales Police
The gadget, which is also known as a jammer, works by alerting the driver to laser speed detectors and temporarily stopping it from taking a speed reading.
The car had been recorded speeding on six different occasions around Cardiff and the south Wales valleys.
However, a reading of how fast it was travelling could not be obtained because the jammer device interfered with the detectors.
"The motorist in question has since been arrested for perverting the course of justice and has admitted the offence," said Sergeant Gary Smart from South Wales Police.
"The partnership will not tolerate the use of such diffuser devices.
Speed camera are used throughout the force area
"Clearly people using devices of this sort have the inclination to drive without due regard for speed limits, and are obstructing officers in the course of their duty," he added.
In the South Wales Police force area there are 33 static speed camera sites and 41 traffic signal sites.
An additional 103 mobile sites with 11 mobile units are also used to catch speeding motorists.
Sophisticated devices to stop the cameras from taking speed readings can be bought from specialist websites.
They work by flashing a strong laser signal to the speed detector which causes a temporary error in the equipment and prevents a speed reading being taken.
The use of such devices is extremely dangerous
John Rowling, Safety Camera Partnership
"While the legislation has been passed making it illegal to use radar diffusers, there is currently no legislation in place regarding the laser devices," said John Rowling from the Safety Camera Partnership.
"Although the government are looking at this important issue.
"The use of such devices is extremely dangerous as it gives the motorist licence to drive at inappropriate speeds, putting the safety of other road users at risk.
"I hope this arrest acts as a clear warning to those using such devices to enable them to drive in excess of the legal speed limit," he added."
"A south Wales motorist has become the first person in Britain to be arrested for using an electronic jammer to confuse speed traps.
The driver was found with a laser diffuser device in the vehicle by police in south Wales under a drive called the Safety Camera Partnership.
The partnership will not tolerate the use of such diffuser devices
Sergeant Gary Smart, South Wales Police
The gadget, which is also known as a jammer, works by alerting the driver to laser speed detectors and temporarily stopping it from taking a speed reading.
The car had been recorded speeding on six different occasions around Cardiff and the south Wales valleys.
However, a reading of how fast it was travelling could not be obtained because the jammer device interfered with the detectors.
"The motorist in question has since been arrested for perverting the course of justice and has admitted the offence," said Sergeant Gary Smart from South Wales Police.
"The partnership will not tolerate the use of such diffuser devices.
Speed camera are used throughout the force area
"Clearly people using devices of this sort have the inclination to drive without due regard for speed limits, and are obstructing officers in the course of their duty," he added.
In the South Wales Police force area there are 33 static speed camera sites and 41 traffic signal sites.
An additional 103 mobile sites with 11 mobile units are also used to catch speeding motorists.
Sophisticated devices to stop the cameras from taking speed readings can be bought from specialist websites.
They work by flashing a strong laser signal to the speed detector which causes a temporary error in the equipment and prevents a speed reading being taken.
The use of such devices is extremely dangerous
John Rowling, Safety Camera Partnership
"While the legislation has been passed making it illegal to use radar diffusers, there is currently no legislation in place regarding the laser devices," said John Rowling from the Safety Camera Partnership.
"Although the government are looking at this important issue.
"The use of such devices is extremely dangerous as it gives the motorist licence to drive at inappropriate speeds, putting the safety of other road users at risk.
"I hope this arrest acts as a clear warning to those using such devices to enable them to drive in excess of the legal speed limit," he added."
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I see a nice story, but no proof that consumer-market jammers actually work. As I've mentioned before, the theory of jammers is sound and if a device is given enough strength they WILL work. The problem is none of the systems currently on the market have anywhere near that power strength.
Unfortunately, the story doesn't say what type/brand of system he was using, if his car has been set up specifically to give a low return signal (paint, angles, etc.), or any real details that would allow us to truly determine what happened. He could easily have used a low-reflectance paint on the car, like a low-gloss black. Hell, you give the LIDAR systems very little to aim at by covering your headlights and removing your front license plate, and that's something that hardly costs a penny...you can do that HERE, in the States! He could very well have had a custom designed jammer that DID have enough power, but the story only makes mention of "Sophisticated devices.....CAN be bought from specialist websites." My emphasis on the word "can" since no one knows if he WAS using a commercial off-the-shelf system.
PLEASE NOTE: I am NOT saying jammers do not work, I am ONLY saying that commercial systems purchased online or off the shelf do not have enough power to actually do anything. ChrisfromRI and I have had some offline discussions at length on what WOULD truly work and if they would be financially feasible. In that case, it comes down to the individual's idea of what "financially feasible" means. If sub-$1000 is your definition, then the answer is probably yes. However, if you're looking for a sub-$300 system, then the answer is more than likely no.
If you guys are TRULY interested in such a system, I'm sure that Chris and I could come up with a workable system, but be forewarned...it won't be cheap, and it will involve the required help of our fellow "friendly" law enforcement-based S2000 brethren (<cough cough> Jeff! <cough cough>) to test it out at several phases.
Since there are a few out there I'm aware of who proclaim, regardless of the facts, "But it works!", I'll don the flame-retardant suit now...
Unfortunately, the story doesn't say what type/brand of system he was using, if his car has been set up specifically to give a low return signal (paint, angles, etc.), or any real details that would allow us to truly determine what happened. He could easily have used a low-reflectance paint on the car, like a low-gloss black. Hell, you give the LIDAR systems very little to aim at by covering your headlights and removing your front license plate, and that's something that hardly costs a penny...you can do that HERE, in the States! He could very well have had a custom designed jammer that DID have enough power, but the story only makes mention of "Sophisticated devices.....CAN be bought from specialist websites." My emphasis on the word "can" since no one knows if he WAS using a commercial off-the-shelf system.
PLEASE NOTE: I am NOT saying jammers do not work, I am ONLY saying that commercial systems purchased online or off the shelf do not have enough power to actually do anything. ChrisfromRI and I have had some offline discussions at length on what WOULD truly work and if they would be financially feasible. In that case, it comes down to the individual's idea of what "financially feasible" means. If sub-$1000 is your definition, then the answer is probably yes. However, if you're looking for a sub-$300 system, then the answer is more than likely no.
If you guys are TRULY interested in such a system, I'm sure that Chris and I could come up with a workable system, but be forewarned...it won't be cheap, and it will involve the required help of our fellow "friendly" law enforcement-based S2000 brethren (<cough cough> Jeff! <cough cough>) to test it out at several phases.
Since there are a few out there I'm aware of who proclaim, regardless of the facts, "But it works!", I'll don the flame-retardant suit now...
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This is an interesting spin the English put on the subject of IR jammers: to try to make them illegal to use. I believe our laws are rather different in the US, and that there is no law prohibiting IR light from being used to befuddle IR speed measurement equipment (it is unlicensed and afforded no protection by the FCC).
In any case, for every technology there is always a countermeasure. Accordingly, I agree that a suitable countermeasure can mitigate this threat.
Kind Regards, Chris
PS: I understand that IR speed measurement (at least current Lidar) is illegal in NJ, thus the law protects the motorists in that state rather than the police.
In any case, for every technology there is always a countermeasure. Accordingly, I agree that a suitable countermeasure can mitigate this threat.
Kind Regards, Chris
PS: I understand that IR speed measurement (at least current Lidar) is illegal in NJ, thus the law protects the motorists in that state rather than the police.
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I dont believe my department uses LIDAR, good old radar only Im affraid. Not much time to catch speeders in FR with everything else goin on. I have a buddy though who may be able to help, not naming any names, but if you need me too, I can ask him
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Have you guys ever been to VA? they have a no radar detector law. Then, they have some type of "radar detector detector" I got pulled over one day and the cop already knew I had one, it was well hidden too so I know he didnt see it.
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You guys should ask the Hawaii folks. A couple of them have laser jammers (K40) and say they work without a doubt. Hawaii just recently started using laser guns (about a year ago). There isn't many roads you can speed on. Believe me if you've ever gone to Oahu you will know what I mean. They only have 3 highways on the entire island and traffic is horrible at times.
