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Afth thn sizitish ithela na thn anoixw edw kai para poly kairo dioti einai ena thema pou me vazei sinexws se skepseis kai me apasxolei, aformh gia thn syntaxh tou parontws stathike i atixia tou filou mas dimitri D_S2000 me thn veltiwsh tou polyagaphmenou tou aftokinhtou kai tromeres dapanes se proswpiko xrono, psixiki odynh, anazitish, psaximo, kakh ekmetalefsh ergasiakou xronou kai fysika xrhmatwn... Endexomenos to paron topic na apokthsei megalous exthrous kai tha ithela na xekatharisw oti ekfrazw tis proswpikes mou skepseis pros sxoliasmo apo thn ypoloiph kinothta kai isws na vgei kati mesa apo afto, tha ithela poly na to grapsw in english alla h parousa katastash mou meta apo mia poly kourastikh kai fortwmenh hmera den mou epitrepei thn orthi syntaxh twn skepsewn mou stin aglikh glossa!
Oloi prospathoume dapanontas ton polytimo mas xrono kai ta apotelesmata sklhrhs douleias (too much money) prokeimenou na veltiwsoume to s2000 kai na to kanoume pio grigoro... -PROSOXH ANAFEROMAI MONO SE MHXANIKES VELTIWSEIS- na afxisoume thn ippodinamh, thn roph, tis telikes taxythtes kai alla tetoia xaritomena! Polemos apopsewn, proionta apo plithora kataskevastwn xamos! Kai ti egine ? Rixame 2 aftokinhta sta mama kai ti ? kati trexei sta gyftika... Einai ores ores pou skeftomai oti oi veltiwseis pou kanoume se ena toso veltiwmeno apo kataskevhs aftokinhto einai dysanaloges se sxesh me to xrhma kai ton xrono pou dapanoume gia aftes! Plhronoume pragmata panakriva pou epivarinontai me epishs panakriva metaforika kai panakrivh ergasia enw parallila polles fores dimiourgoume panakriva episkevazomenes vlaves sta aftokinita mas.
Den thelw na to paixw sintiritikos, oute agios giati sigoura tha mou pei kapoios na parw ena honda jazz na kanw thn douleia mou kai na afhsw to S2000 kai thn veltiwsh gia tous allous pou xeroun! Lathos! To tuning einai ena omorfo mikrovio kai poli efxaristh enasxolish alla toulaxiston otan kerdizeis panta analoga me ta xrimata pou dapanas... Pistevw oti genika to JDM business mas doulevei ligo psilo gazi kai skopo exei na mas xeparadiasei! Paradeigma, ena klassiko prwto stadio mias JDM firmas apoteloumeno apo eisagwgi, filtro, xtapodi, exatimish, petalouda kai programma stoixizei peri ta 7.000 euro kai ola afta gia na pareis ena kalo apotelesma! Pistevw oti to apotelesma einai men porwtiko alla den axizei se kamia periptwsh 2.500.000 draxmes (etsi gia na thimomaste ligo kai ta ellinika xrhmmata)
Ftanw se ena simio na lew oti eftyxws pou den exw ftiaxei to aftokinhto mou me akriva pragmata me apotelesma na klaio perissotera xrimmata! To S2000 to agapw poly, einai ena aftokinhto pou mou aresei, den skeftomai se kamia periptwsh na to apoxwristo kai den lipamai xrimmata gia mia anartish, zantes, lastixa kai genika gia dapanes pou pianoun topo...
Isws na egina kourastikos apla ithela na pw afto pou skeftomoun kai na to sizitisw me opoion exei orexh, to xerw oti i diatiposh tou minimatos einai xalia kai endexomenws na parousiazei kapoia kena oswn afora sthn synafeia tou alla opoios thelei tha to katalavei...
Cheers!
Oloi prospathoume dapanontas ton polytimo mas xrono kai ta apotelesmata sklhrhs douleias (too much money) prokeimenou na veltiwsoume to s2000 kai na to kanoume pio grigoro... -PROSOXH ANAFEROMAI MONO SE MHXANIKES VELTIWSEIS- na afxisoume thn ippodinamh, thn roph, tis telikes taxythtes kai alla tetoia xaritomena! Polemos apopsewn, proionta apo plithora kataskevastwn xamos! Kai ti egine ? Rixame 2 aftokinhta sta mama kai ti ? kati trexei sta gyftika... Einai ores ores pou skeftomai oti oi veltiwseis pou kanoume se ena toso veltiwmeno apo kataskevhs aftokinhto einai dysanaloges se sxesh me to xrhma kai ton xrono pou dapanoume gia aftes! Plhronoume pragmata panakriva pou epivarinontai me epishs panakriva metaforika kai panakrivh ergasia enw parallila polles fores dimiourgoume panakriva episkevazomenes vlaves sta aftokinita mas.
Den thelw na to paixw sintiritikos, oute agios giati sigoura tha mou pei kapoios na parw ena honda jazz na kanw thn douleia mou kai na afhsw to S2000 kai thn veltiwsh gia tous allous pou xeroun! Lathos! To tuning einai ena omorfo mikrovio kai poli efxaristh enasxolish alla toulaxiston otan kerdizeis panta analoga me ta xrimata pou dapanas... Pistevw oti genika to JDM business mas doulevei ligo psilo gazi kai skopo exei na mas xeparadiasei! Paradeigma, ena klassiko prwto stadio mias JDM firmas apoteloumeno apo eisagwgi, filtro, xtapodi, exatimish, petalouda kai programma stoixizei peri ta 7.000 euro kai ola afta gia na pareis ena kalo apotelesma! Pistevw oti to apotelesma einai men porwtiko alla den axizei se kamia periptwsh 2.500.000 draxmes (etsi gia na thimomaste ligo kai ta ellinika xrhmmata)
Ftanw se ena simio na lew oti eftyxws pou den exw ftiaxei to aftokinhto mou me akriva pragmata me apotelesma na klaio perissotera xrimmata! To S2000 to agapw poly, einai ena aftokinhto pou mou aresei, den skeftomai se kamia periptwsh na to apoxwristo kai den lipamai xrimmata gia mia anartish, zantes, lastixa kai genika gia dapanes pou pianoun topo...
Isws na egina kourastikos apla ithela na pw afto pou skeftomoun kai na to sizitisw me opoion exei orexh, to xerw oti i diatiposh tou minimatos einai xalia kai endexomenws na parousiazei kapoia kena oswn afora sthn synafeia tou alla opoios thelei tha to katalavei...
Cheers!
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Auth akrivws einai kai i dikh mou apopsh. Tora se merikous mporei na fainetai kalo value for money to tuning tou s2k alla emena pros to paron den mu fainetai. Autos einai kai enas apo tous logous pou thelw na kratisw to ama3i mou stock. Vevaia epeidh me enoxlei to provlima me th zesth to kalokairi kai mesa sthn kinhsh tha valo to psygeio to Koyo (otan a3iothoun apo thn evasive kai mu to steiloun) kathws epishs kai thn eisagwgh ths Spoon kai auta ta dyo mono kai mono giati pisteuw pws h Honda eite amelhse to sigekrimeno zhthma eite ekrine na pra3ei ws e3hs gia logous pou den gnwrizw.
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Mixaniki beltiosi ipotheto oti ennoeis na anoikseis moter kai na epembeis ekei mesa? (ekkentroforous/roiiki/pistonia ktl).
H ennoeis akoma kai me aples betioseis me eisagogi/xtapodi/eksatmisi/petalouda/ECU (Kai autes einai betioseis gia ti mixani alla de tha tis theorousa "mixanikes").
To rotao dioti i aformi einai kai to topic tou D_S2000.
H ennoeis akoma kai me aples betioseis me eisagogi/xtapodi/eksatmisi/petalouda/ECU (Kai autes einai betioseis gia ti mixani alla de tha tis theorousa "mixanikes").
To rotao dioti i aformi einai kai to topic tou D_S2000.
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Endiaferon topic file vtec-man.
Einai analogos ti zhtaei o kathenas apo ena aftokinhto. Pistevw pws oi perissoteroi to kanoun gia tin proswpikh efxaristish kai oxi gia to apotelesma. Diladi akoma kai ENZO na eixan kati tha evriskan na tis allaksoun wste na niwsoun tin ikanopoihsh tou tuning. Ena allo pososto, kanei tuning gia tous allous, gia mostra dld (tous afhnoume aftous)... Ena allo meridio pali, kanei to swsto. Prospathei diladi na ferei to aftokinhto sta METRA tou. Ena aftokinhto otan vgenei apo to ergostasio prepei na einai OUDETERO wste na aresei se megalyterh merida koinou. Den mporei na exei eksatmisi 120dB giati etsi tha aresei mono se 100 atoma ston kosmo.. Opote kanodas tis aparaithtes allages exoume ena aftokinhto pou mas teriazei.
Egw prosopika den eimai kodrakias kai efxomai na min ginw. Diladi theorw poly kseneroto na eisai se mia eftheia kai na prospatheis na peraseis enan allon. Egw eimai trellamenos me tis strofes perissotero.
To i8iko didagma gia mena, tha htan: min ebistevese to moter sou se Ellhna veltiwth, kai oxi min ftiakseis to aftokinhto sou. Giati ean zousame stin Japan tora, o D_S2000 apla tha htan xaroumenos me to 300hp S2000 tou. Opote yparxoun 3 lyseis. (milame gia moter pada) 1) H 8a arkesteis se ena LIGHT tuning (proto stadio, kai ade kana normal ekkedroforo kai sibiesoula), 2) H 8a fereis ena moter apeksw, ETOIMO, h 3) Tha ftiakseis to moter monos sou. Nai sigoura to trito poly ligoi mporoun na to kanoun apo emas. Apla vlepw re gamoto tous amerikanous pou ta kanoun ola monoi tous, kai mono kai mono epeidi oti kanoun to kanoun me prosoxi, pada petyxenei.. Egw epidh pistevw oti h efxaristhsh ths odigisis einai to 70% apo ena aftokinhto, kai oti to allo 30% einai na to "epeksergazese" monos sou, dialeksa thn trith diadromh.. Ta pragmata einai perissotero efkola aposo nomizoume. Kai stin telikh, akoma kai kati na paei strava, 1) tha lew oti toulaxiston prospathisa 2) den tha exw dosei 2.000euro sa m@L@#@s stous veltiwtes 3) tha exw mathei para polla pragmata, kai next time tha eimai kalyteros.
Einai analogos ti zhtaei o kathenas apo ena aftokinhto. Pistevw pws oi perissoteroi to kanoun gia tin proswpikh efxaristish kai oxi gia to apotelesma. Diladi akoma kai ENZO na eixan kati tha evriskan na tis allaksoun wste na niwsoun tin ikanopoihsh tou tuning. Ena allo pososto, kanei tuning gia tous allous, gia mostra dld (tous afhnoume aftous)... Ena allo meridio pali, kanei to swsto. Prospathei diladi na ferei to aftokinhto sta METRA tou. Ena aftokinhto otan vgenei apo to ergostasio prepei na einai OUDETERO wste na aresei se megalyterh merida koinou. Den mporei na exei eksatmisi 120dB giati etsi tha aresei mono se 100 atoma ston kosmo.. Opote kanodas tis aparaithtes allages exoume ena aftokinhto pou mas teriazei.
Egw prosopika den eimai kodrakias kai efxomai na min ginw. Diladi theorw poly kseneroto na eisai se mia eftheia kai na prospatheis na peraseis enan allon. Egw eimai trellamenos me tis strofes perissotero.
To i8iko didagma gia mena, tha htan: min ebistevese to moter sou se Ellhna veltiwth, kai oxi min ftiakseis to aftokinhto sou. Giati ean zousame stin Japan tora, o D_S2000 apla tha htan xaroumenos me to 300hp S2000 tou. Opote yparxoun 3 lyseis. (milame gia moter pada) 1) H 8a arkesteis se ena LIGHT tuning (proto stadio, kai ade kana normal ekkedroforo kai sibiesoula), 2) H 8a fereis ena moter apeksw, ETOIMO, h 3) Tha ftiakseis to moter monos sou. Nai sigoura to trito poly ligoi mporoun na to kanoun apo emas. Apla vlepw re gamoto tous amerikanous pou ta kanoun ola monoi tous, kai mono kai mono epeidi oti kanoun to kanoun me prosoxi, pada petyxenei.. Egw epidh pistevw oti h efxaristhsh ths odigisis einai to 70% apo ena aftokinhto, kai oti to allo 30% einai na to "epeksergazese" monos sou, dialeksa thn trith diadromh.. Ta pragmata einai perissotero efkola aposo nomizoume. Kai stin telikh, akoma kai kati na paei strava, 1) tha lew oti toulaxiston prospathisa 2) den tha exw dosei 2.000euro sa m@L@#@s stous veltiwtes 3) tha exw mathei para polla pragmata, kai next time tha eimai kalyteros.
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PS: Den einai anagh na exeis toso akrivo proto stadio. Shmera (edw kai ena xrono) to kalytero proto stadio einai afto: Js Intake, Js Header, Js70RR/AmuseR1000 70ares kai oi 2, kai ena egefalo, kata protimisi AEM EMS h akoma kai ena pre-tuned. Diladi tha sou pane 3.000 xtapodi eksatmisi, 1200 to AEM (h 700to pretuned), kai 1250 to intake.. Diladi synolo 5500euro sxedon.. Den einai anagh omos na doseis tosa polla. Mporeis na pareis mia arketa kalh eisagwgh me 400-500euro kai na tin monoseis, mporeis na pareis mia Apexi N1 eksatmisi me 600euro kai ena pio ftino xtapodi. Fysika tha exeis ligotera kerdh alla tha exeis dosei ta misa lefta.. Oloi kseroume oti to tuning sto S kostizei re pedia.. Kai aftos einai o logos pou thavmazw ta civic-integra. Epeidi ta B-series moter einai ta kalytera moter ston kosmo gia tuning, kai perissotera veltiotika proioda se allo moter den yparxoun! Ase pou einai kai allhlosynergazomena ta moter afta! AFTO einai to aftokinhto gia enan pitsirika pou thelei na asxolithei. Giati me 5.000euro pernis ena civic. Me 1000euro perneis ena block GSR 1800cc. Kratas thn B16 kefalh kai dineis 600-700euro gia mia roikh (kai pernei polla...) mporeis na exeis to kalytero xtapodi ston kosmo me 400euro.. Kai genika, me ta lefta pou tha ekanes ena proto stadio sto S2000, mporeis na exeis ena teras kosta sta 300 aloga. (poly koda omos). kai sta 950kila pou einai ta crx-civic tha exei plaka.. Alla kai stin anarthsh to idio isxyei. me 600euro perneis panalafres zades.. me 300euro perneis 4 bares (bros pisw panw katw).. Kai synolika pistevw tha exeis ena poly pio grhgoro aftokinhto (kai stis strofes tha einai poly koda sto s2000) me to 1/4 twn xrhmatwn..
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Para poly kalo to sygkekrimeno topic me to autokinhto mas na apotelei to xarakthristikotero paradeigma tou eidous! Symfwnw me olous tous prolalhsantes kai idiaitera me thn apopsh tou Soc!
Ontws o F20C apotelei paradeigma apofygeis gia "heavy" tuning mias kai to ergostasio paragwghs ekane apo mono tou oti kalytero mporouse na kanei apo pleuras N/A apodwshs. Oi lyseis gia hn parapera N/A (panta) beltiwsh tou yparxoun ALLA opws eidame kai apo to paradeigma tou filou Dhmhtrh, autes einai dysthxws EKTOS ELLADAS!!!
Eimai ths apopshs oti gia edw to kalytero pou exeis na kaneis gia na ikanopoihseis to saraki ths beltiwseis einai h lysh tou A' stadiou me ta parts pou anaferei o Soc! Apo ekei kai pera gnwmh mou oti DEN A3IZEI H PARAPERA N/A BELTIWSH! Einai nomizw dysanaloga ta xrhmata pou 8a spatalhseis me to apotelesma pou 8a pareis!!! Ean omws 8eleis na to trabh3eis parapera to kalytero einai ena kit supercharger kai teleiwneis!
Synopsizontas gia emena yparxoun 2 lyseis: Ena swsto 1o stadio h' pas gia kit supercharger!
Ontws o F20C apotelei paradeigma apofygeis gia "heavy" tuning mias kai to ergostasio paragwghs ekane apo mono tou oti kalytero mporouse na kanei apo pleuras N/A apodwshs. Oi lyseis gia hn parapera N/A (panta) beltiwsh tou yparxoun ALLA opws eidame kai apo to paradeigma tou filou Dhmhtrh, autes einai dysthxws EKTOS ELLADAS!!!
Eimai ths apopshs oti gia edw to kalytero pou exeis na kaneis gia na ikanopoihseis to saraki ths beltiwseis einai h lysh tou A' stadiou me ta parts pou anaferei o Soc! Apo ekei kai pera gnwmh mou oti DEN A3IZEI H PARAPERA N/A BELTIWSH! Einai nomizw dysanaloga ta xrhmata pou 8a spatalhseis me to apotelesma pou 8a pareis!!! Ean omws 8eleis na to trabh3eis parapera to kalytero einai ena kit supercharger kai teleiwneis!
Synopsizontas gia emena yparxoun 2 lyseis: Ena swsto 1o stadio h' pas gia kit supercharger!
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Swsta, kaneis den to amfisvitei afto.Ta arnitika omos einai 2. Oti polloi kseneronoun me ton hxo, kai oti xalaei aisthita to sthsimo tou aftokinhtou, afou ta parapanisia kila sto ebros meros den einai kai oti kalytero.
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@ener anaferontas mixanikh veltiwsh ennow otidhpote ftiaxneis ston kinhtira, periferiako kai mh me apotero skopo na kerdiseis se aloga kai roph...
H roph tis kouventas ap oti vlepw tairiazei me tis dikes mou apopseis...
Ti na parei re paidia, t'amaxi einai poly dinato, oti tou vazeis exei poli mikro logo apodoshs pros ta xrhmata pou dinoume, ki'allo gazi ? Les kai tha to paroume na pame sthn tsukuba sthn iaponia... Gia opoiadipote veltiwsh ston tomea ths anartishs, statherothtas klp eimai apolytws mesa dioti tetoiou typou anavathmiseis einai sxetika oikonomikes (panta se sxesh me thn veltiwsh isxyws) kai pianoun topo...
Kati gia to opoio lew xalali ta lefta pou edwsa einai h TEIN-RA, t'amaxi strivei treno akoma kai me polla xlm kai malista ekei pou entyposiazomai kathe mera kai perissotero einai oti to aftokinhto mou ebneei mia sigouria kai den me fovizei na to xwnw stis strofes... alla kalou kakou ekana kai mia mikth asfaleia... (h kalyterh montifa ever...)
H roph tis kouventas ap oti vlepw tairiazei me tis dikes mou apopseis...
Ti na parei re paidia, t'amaxi einai poly dinato, oti tou vazeis exei poli mikro logo apodoshs pros ta xrhmata pou dinoume, ki'allo gazi ? Les kai tha to paroume na pame sthn tsukuba sthn iaponia... Gia opoiadipote veltiwsh ston tomea ths anartishs, statherothtas klp eimai apolytws mesa dioti tetoiou typou anavathmiseis einai sxetika oikonomikes (panta se sxesh me thn veltiwsh isxyws) kai pianoun topo...
Kati gia to opoio lew xalali ta lefta pou edwsa einai h TEIN-RA, t'amaxi strivei treno akoma kai me polla xlm kai malista ekei pou entyposiazomai kathe mera kai perissotero einai oti to aftokinhto mou ebneei mia sigouria kai den me fovizei na to xwnw stis strofes... alla kalou kakou ekana kai mia mikth asfaleia... (h kalyterh montifa ever...)
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Όλα ξεκινούν τη στιγμή που αγοράζει κανείς ένα αυτοκίνητο. Όποιος πήρε το S2000 με σκοπό να το βελτιώσει έκανε την χειρότερη επίλογή που θα μπορούσε να κάνει. Ακόμη και οι Ferrari με μια εξάτμιση και ένα πρόγραμμα παίρνουν 20-30 άλογα, ενώ το S με αυτά παίρνει 5-10. Tuning δεν θεωρούμε βέβαια να βάλει κάποιος μια άλλη ζάντα ή κάποιο σπόιλερ, αυτό είναι θέμα γούστου ( αν και σε αυτό το αμάξι η παραμικρή αλλαγή ,ιδιαίτερα στις ζάντες αλλάζει τη συμπεριφορά του, που σημαίνει ότι πρέπει να γίνουν και οι ανάλογες ρυθμίσεις στην ανάρτηση και στην ευθυγράμμιση.για 18'' ζάντες ούτε κάν λόγος, μόνο κακό κάνουν παρά καλό).Μην ξεχναμε κάτι :
ΛΕΤΕ ΜΕΤΑ ΑΠΌ ΤΡΙΑ ΧΡΟΝΙΑ ΕΞΕΛΙΞΗΣ ΚΑΙ ΤΟΣΑ ΛΕΦΤΑ ΠΟΥ ΔΑΠΑΝΗΣΕ Η ΧΟΝΤΑ, ΝΑ ΤΣΙΓΚΟΥΝΕΥΤΗΚΕ ΜΙΑ ΜΠΑΡΑ ΘΟΛΩΝ ΜΠΡΟΣΤΑ Ή 18ΑΡΕΣ ΖΑΝΤΕΣ, ΑΝ ΗΤΑΝ ΝΑ ΚΡΑΤΑΓΕ ΚΑΛΥΤΕΡΑ ΤΟ ΑΜΑΞΙ;;;
Τώρα το να αλλάξω τον δίσκο μου όταν φθαρεί με κάποιον πιό ενισχυμένο, το να αλλάξω την ανάρτηση όταν τα φτύσει η μαμίσια ( η οποία καστίζει περίπου 1400
ΛΕΤΕ ΜΕΤΑ ΑΠΌ ΤΡΙΑ ΧΡΟΝΙΑ ΕΞΕΛΙΞΗΣ ΚΑΙ ΤΟΣΑ ΛΕΦΤΑ ΠΟΥ ΔΑΠΑΝΗΣΕ Η ΧΟΝΤΑ, ΝΑ ΤΣΙΓΚΟΥΝΕΥΤΗΚΕ ΜΙΑ ΜΠΑΡΑ ΘΟΛΩΝ ΜΠΡΟΣΤΑ Ή 18ΑΡΕΣ ΖΑΝΤΕΣ, ΑΝ ΗΤΑΝ ΝΑ ΚΡΑΤΑΓΕ ΚΑΛΥΤΕΡΑ ΤΟ ΑΜΑΞΙ;;;
Τώρα το να αλλάξω τον δίσκο μου όταν φθαρεί με κάποιον πιό ενισχυμένο, το να αλλάξω την ανάρτηση όταν τα φτύσει η μαμίσια ( η οποία καστίζει περίπου 1400