Enthralled

snow performace claims gains of 10-15HP. they have a kit for NA setups. you will need a tune to take advantage of it. not sure if Hondata makes a reflash for it, but if you have to have it, you can go with the HKS f con(DBW friendly), but not many tuners for it.

S2Kage

Theoretically, If you have a small enough jet, watermeth injection would be fine for N/A and with a tune should do wonders, especially for guys running ultra high compression.

Something else to look at:

"Nitro Booster

Seattle2k

http://www.snowperformance.net/faqs_...?type=gasoline

"Can the Boost Cooler be applied to naturally aspirated and nitrous engines?"

1.Naturally aspirated/high compression engines:

In this application, water/methanol injection allows the use of pump fuel in all but the most extreme situations which effects tremendous cost savings as well as horsepower increases due to air density increase and realized timing potential. The system is activated by a boost referenced switch so that injection takes place only during high engine loads when needed.

2. Engines using nitrous: With nitrous, water/methanol injection allows the use of full timing even with large (250HP+) quantities. Injection is controlled by the same means that controls nitrous injection.

3. Naturally aspirated/stock compression: With naturally aspirated engines with less than 10:1 compression, water/methanol is used typically in warm climates to get the intake temps back to 60f. Benefits include: 10-15 HP increases from air density increases and full timing, Increased gas mileage, and carbon free combustion chambers. Activation is by a throttle switch adjusted for onset engine load. With this application, the nozzle is sized so that no more than 10% of total fuel consumption at peak flywheel HP is injected.

S2Kage

Yeah I read that too...

I do not see any reason not to do this.

Enthralled

I do....he'll need a tuning solution for his 2007!!

vader1

This is all great but if you don't want to spend the money to do FI, and you can spend all kinds of cash to tune and do water meth injection and the like or you can do a much simpler and cheaper nitrous install IMHO. You'd be spending more cash to do something unique, and if thats what you want, cool, but nitrous would do the same cheaper and easier.

On the flipside though, you should see pics of valves on a high milage car that has run water injection for a while. They look factory new clean because all the gunk gets steamed right off.

HvRRZ

EMS, hks, Emanage. all useable to tune, but I'm holding back for the K-pro to be released.

Guys I'm not asking this to do it to a stock motor. The motor will be built with over 13 comp ratio. Running that high comp ratio usually needs higher octane to get optimum tuning and get the car running correctly(I say usually because I believe inline has a high comp running on pump gas). water/meth is more cost effective, and will be the same as running the higher octane fuel that a motor with high comp needs to run at it's full potential.

Nitrous is really only good for short bursts of power....I'm looking for this kit to help the car make the power it can at all times. I know of the risks....biggest being if I run dry on the fluid, but there are also fail safes to that as well. I can run a secondary tune, that is done only with the pump gas in case I run dry of the water/meth. I should be able to set it up so that it automatically switches over if necessary. When it's time I'll do some testing and hopefully it brings good results.

S2Kage

Yeah Nitrous is great for short bursts, but with water/meth, you can go through a couple tanks of gas and and only use 1 tank of water/meth depending on how big your water/meth tank is. Also, you have the ability to run nitrous while not having to retard timing nearly as much or at all.