Hawk HP Plus - how many track days?
#11
I have and I ruined them in a single session. Did the same thing to DS2500s before I went to a full track pad. Most guys actually run these for rears only and they work fine in that regard, but using these square is not a good idea.
I currently run DTC60s on track. I ran Stoptech Sports on the street, but they dusted more than OEM so I stopped that. They are listed as a "spirited street or light track" pad, which means they shouldn't touch a track.
A good cheap option is Powerstop track pads as they're ~80ish a pair. They don't last nearly as long as real track pads but are good for beginners.
I currently run DTC60s on track. I ran Stoptech Sports on the street, but they dusted more than OEM so I stopped that. They are listed as a "spirited street or light track" pad, which means they shouldn't touch a track.
A good cheap option is Powerstop track pads as they're ~80ish a pair. They don't last nearly as long as real track pads but are good for beginners.
#12
I have and I ruined them in a single session. Did the same thing to DS2500s before I went to a full track pad. Most guys actually run these for rears only and they work fine in that regard, but using these square is not a good idea.
I currently run DTC60s on track. I ran Stoptech Sports on the street, but they dusted more than OEM so I stopped that. They are listed as a "spirited street or light track" pad, which means they shouldn't touch a track.
A good cheap option is Powerstop track pads as they're ~80ish a pair. They don't last nearly as long as real track pads but are good for beginners.
I currently run DTC60s on track. I ran Stoptech Sports on the street, but they dusted more than OEM so I stopped that. They are listed as a "spirited street or light track" pad, which means they shouldn't touch a track.
A good cheap option is Powerstop track pads as they're ~80ish a pair. They don't last nearly as long as real track pads but are good for beginners.
BUT...one would have better luck with those than one would with HP+, as the stoptech have a higher MOT.
I don't want to imply that they should be ready to rip. But they *do* work for HPDE's. They're like a 1200-1400F pad.
Anyone with the illusion that a dual use pad exists is a beginner by definition. The Stoptech isn't a bad pad to learn on.
I'm not a beginner...and honestly, they worked just fine for me on my K24 ITR, as well as my wife's stock S2000. But...again, this was just HPDE.
I agree that the Powerstop PSA's are a step up from Stoptech if you're looking for something that kinda works. The issue with these is lack of bite and corrosive dust.
#13
I ran those at a weekend in Watkins Glen and I hated them. Lots of brake fade about 10 minutes into a session and did not feel confident with my brakes at all. Upgraded to Project Mu club racers and those are amazing pads, but they dust like crazy. My front pads have about 60-70% and rears about 85% with about ~10 HPDE days on them.
#14
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Stoptech Sports are nowhere near a track pad. That's a terrible suggestion.
There is no pad that is good for both track and street. Get a dedicated track pad (Hawk DTC60/70, Raybestos ST47, etc.) and then OEM for the street. If you can use an aggressive street pad on track then you're not braking hard enough.
There is no pad that is good for both track and street. Get a dedicated track pad (Hawk DTC60/70, Raybestos ST47, etc.) and then OEM for the street. If you can use an aggressive street pad on track then you're not braking hard enough.
#15
Former Sponsor
As far as wear goes, I got 7 HPDE days out of a pair of the fronts. That's not bad for such an inexpensive pad. It certainly lasts longer than a Stoptech 309 that you're running at the upper end of the MOT.
#16
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I hope this thread serve as a recommendation for track / near-track ready pads for myself and others.
So far, I'm leaning towards Stoptech Sports. Powerstop PSA sounds like a good option for a dedicated track car. But probably not for me, the corrosive dust worries me as I can't guarantee I'll wash the car immediately after a track event.
Also, random question. So I bought my car second hand, much like everyone else. I forgot to ask the owner what kind of pads are on them. Because for daily, they're awesome! They don't squeak nor do the dust, ever. I know I'm being vague, but any chance the OEM Honda pads exhibit those features?
So far, I'm leaning towards Stoptech Sports. Powerstop PSA sounds like a good option for a dedicated track car. But probably not for me, the corrosive dust worries me as I can't guarantee I'll wash the car immediately after a track event.
Also, random question. So I bought my car second hand, much like everyone else. I forgot to ask the owner what kind of pads are on them. Because for daily, they're awesome! They don't squeak nor do the dust, ever. I know I'm being vague, but any chance the OEM Honda pads exhibit those features?
#17
HP+: cheap, excellent initial bite cold, great for city driving when people cut you off, dusty-I wouldn’t use them on a wheel I care about. Minimal squeal if applied with ceramic anti squeal on the back. I did track mine with no issues. Somewhat hard on the rotor but pads did last awhile. Using dtc-30 now.
#18
I have about 3-4 hours on a set of the Powerstop PSAs definitely preferred them over the 309s on track. I still run 309s on the street and for auto-x since the PSAs are fairly noisy and make a TON of dust. My track wheels are plasti-dipped bright blue and after two 25 minute session they were pretty close to black, and are staying that way
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